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Hadrosaur Soft Tissues Another Blow to Long-Ages Myth (first T. rex, then another T. rex, now this!)
ICR ^ | May 12, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 05/12/2009 7:26:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Hadrosaur Soft Tissues Another Blow to Long-Ages Myth

by Brian Thomas, M.S.*

Recently-discovered dinosaur soft tissues, and even blood cells, represent some of the biggest hurdles for long-age evolutionary belief. Soft tissue was found in the femur of a large Tyrannosaurus rex about a decade ago, and more was discovered in another T. rex a few years later. And recently, soft tissues with proteins were found in a hadrosaur from Montana...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; creation; dinosaur; dinosaurs; evolution; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; maryschweitzer; notasciencetopic; propellerbeanie; science
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To: GodGunsGuts

Creationists don’t believe in dinosaurs.


221 posted on 05/14/2009 11:11:49 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Alamo-Girl; tpanther; TXnMA; DallasMike; allmendream; GodGunsGuts; metmom
We are blessed with several Christians here on the forum who are also scientists. They are witnesses to God in the belly of the beast of no-theism by reason of “methodological naturalism.” ... Their assignment, their challenge, their personal risk is greater than I can imagine. And yet I know that God would not put them there if they were not up to the task.... I join in prayer for each and every one of them!

As do I, dearest sister in Christ! May God ever bless them with His Light and Grace.

To God be the glory!

Thank you ever so much for this beautiful essay/post!

222 posted on 05/14/2009 11:17:03 AM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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To: betty boop; allmendream

Brilliant, simply brilliant, BB! I esp. appreciate your conclusion. Christians can disagree about the particulars, but a Christian cannot shut God out of His own creation without doing violence to both scripture and logic!


223 posted on 05/14/2009 11:23:28 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GourmetDan
Is this it?


224 posted on 05/14/2009 11:27:24 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

Does that meet your definition or not?


225 posted on 05/14/2009 11:35:10 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
Yes.

So if this your model, how were NASA scientists able to land probes on Venus and Mars, and send orbital probes to Jupter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune if they were using a model that was completely incorrect?

Don't you think they would have noticed the sun's orbit flailing into the orbits of the gas giants? Wouldn't they have had to take this massive difference in gravitation and direction into account to have their trajectories be correct?

226 posted on 05/14/2009 11:40:06 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GodGunsGuts; Alamo-Girl; allmendream
...a Christian cannot shut God out of His own creation without doing violence to both scripture and logic!

Very well said, GGG!

227 posted on 05/14/2009 11:49:37 AM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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To: GunRunner
"Yes."

So, why did you say there wasn't one when there obviously was? Can we assume that you put so little thought into all your statements?

"So if this your model, how were NASA scientists able to land probes on Venus and Mars, and send orbital probes to Jupter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune if they were using a model that was completely incorrect?"

You didn't read the site, did you? Does the name Ernst Mach mean anything to you? Can we assume that you put so little thought into all your questions?

"Don't you think they would have noticed the sun's orbit flailing into the orbits of the gas giants? Wouldn't they have had to take this massive difference in gravitation and direction into account to have their trajectories be correct?"

You didn't take the time to read either site or study the model, did you? Do the statements of Einstein, Hoyle, Born and Ellis mean anything to you? Can we assume that you put so little thought into all your questions?

228 posted on 05/14/2009 11:54:19 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
Your misconstruing of the words of Hoyle and Einstein continues.

Can you not answer these extremely simple questions without sending me to read a pseudoscience site? How can you launch a probe to Jupiter without taking the sun's gravity into account? How?

Also, I'm sure you read the final report on the Gravity Probe B that said that frame dragging is plainly visible in the processed data. All those wasted posts from you that tried to use NASA work to back up your 15th century theory. Shameful.

229 posted on 05/14/2009 12:01:17 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: betty boop; GodGunsGuts; metmom; allmendream; Alamo-Girl; Fichori; valkyry1; MrB; CottShop

Where do you stand in this matter allmendream? How do you, as a Christian, reconcile such mutually exclusive tendencies in your own life and thought?


That’s what it boils down to in a nutshell. As far as anyone can tell, it pretty much entails picking and choosing what parts of the Christian Bible that appeal to his sensibilities and he freely rejects the rest.

Then, when others, quite naturally and logically point this out, he just attacks them and exclaims the strawman that they’re no more pious than he is, are liars...blah blah blah.

Then with a striaght face other evolutionists will chime in that science and religion are somehow compatable!

Of course it’s possible to compartmentalize parts of your life separate from the other partts I guess.

There must be a term, scientifically and otherwise for this possibility! :)


230 posted on 05/14/2009 12:10:27 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: editor-surveyor; tacticalogic
You didn’t wish to discuss the nonsequitur topic; you only wished to add foolish and ignorant noise to the thread to deflect its purpose.

That’s all you really ever do.

Yup, pretty much! And then whines when it's pointed out. :)

231 posted on 05/14/2009 12:12:35 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: freedumb2003

Then prove yourself to be all sciencey by passing the P.E.

Should be a real snap for someone as sciencey as you ;o)


232 posted on 05/14/2009 12:16:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: tacticalogic
If they ever have to vote on having this debate in their children's classroom, it's a good opportunity for them to get a chance to see what it's going to look like first.

Liberals always try desperately to poison the well, it's nothing new...and clearly doesn't work...and btw...the "fringies" are pretty clearly on your side of the aisle!

Do you two closet liberals need to see the evidence...for like the 25th time?

233 posted on 05/14/2009 12:18:37 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: GourmetDan

Do you believe in the Ptolemaic or the Tycho model?


234 posted on 05/14/2009 12:21:22 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: tpanther

The chuckle part is that he called that statement an adhominem attack!


235 posted on 05/14/2009 12:22:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: betty boop
My cosmology and belief on the intersection of science and religion are reflected well in the philosophy and statements of the last two Popes.

They say they are Christian as well, but maybe they only pass muster as Christians to you if they accept your bizarre and unsupportable cosmological model.

My doctrine does not exclude the realm of the Spirit as I have full faith that I shall join my Lord and Savior in the realm of Spirit upon my physical demise.

My profession (science) does exclude the realm of the Spirit, as it is not replicably observable, predictable or measurable.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT seen.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

236 posted on 05/14/2009 12:29:44 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: GunRunner; GourmetDan
"Do you believe in the Ptolemaic or the Tycho model?"

Typical liberal's question!

Feelings don't matter. The ptolemaic model is what continues to be used today in all navigation, astronomic positioning, and even the programs that operate the positioning servos on all modern observatories. And it even works :o)

237 posted on 05/14/2009 12:32:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: betty boop
You actually think scientific discovery imperils the soul?

What ill thought out and ignorant twaddle.

The Heavens proclaim the glory of God.

Gathering knowledge is certainly a peril for someones belief in Creationism, as the more someone knows, especially about science, the less likely they are to be a Creationist.

Thus Creationism is the refuge of the ill and under educated; no wonder you think knowledge is so dangerous.

To God be the Glory.

238 posted on 05/14/2009 12:34:40 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: betty boop
"Christians may disagree about the details; but what they all have in common is commitment to the idea that Holy Scripture is the bearer of the Word of God to man, divine truth told truly, but not exhaustively."

What a novel concept; do you think it'll ever catch on? ;o)

239 posted on 05/14/2009 12:39:37 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: allmendream; betty boop; hosepipe; Alamo-Girl
"What ill thought out and ignorant twaddle."

Yes, for the last eleven years, that is what all of us here at FR have come to expect from BB (NOT!)

Look in the mirror AMD, cuz that is where your comment should have been directed.

240 posted on 05/14/2009 12:43:27 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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