Posted on 02/19/2009 9:24:24 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
What Is Science?
"Even if all the data point to an intelligent designer, such an hypothesis is excluded from science because it is not naturalistic."
—Dr. Scott Todd, Kansas State University, Nature 401(6752):423, Sept. 30, 1999
What You Will Learn
Many people do not realize that science was actually developed in Christian Europe by men who assumed that God created an orderly universe. If the universe is a product of random chance or a group of gods that interfere in the universe, there is really no reason to expect order in nature. Many of the founders of the principle scientific fields, such as Bacon, Galileo, Kepler, and Newton, were believers in a recently created earth. The idea that science cannot accept a creationist perspective is a denial of scientific history...
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So who insists that the whole Bible be taken literally and doesn’t recognize poetry, parable, songs, allegory, metaphor, etc?
Please provide sources to demonstrate that people like that exist.
I made my post. Quit twisting my words and reposting a false post. Remember. God is watching you and waiting.
Not to those who insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible.
327 posted on Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:45:05 PM by truth_seeker
Courtesy ping to truth_seeker.
So what does that post prove?
You aren’t answering the question. If you give vague answers or non-answers, you can’t complain when someone misinterprets what you say.
So what is your answer?
Do you support an outright ban on addressing the Biblical creation account in schools thereby teaching evolution only, or would you support allowing it with an opt out option for those who don’t want their kids to hear about it?
You aren’t answering the question. If you give vague answers or non-answers, you can’t complain when someone misinterprets what you say.
Please do not post to me again on this question. I gave a very specific position statement and I am tired of you misrepresenting me and reposting the inane question to me. If you want to discuss my response to that question, please repost my entire response with your requested discussion points.
“Everytime a Biblical literalist gets his chance to respond literal to Biblical passages he says that the passages have to be interpreted in context with all the other passages in the Bible.”
The “Bible” itself being originallty written a few hundred years after the events, in Armaic, Greek, Hebrew, etc.
Then of all the books, some selected for inclusion, some excluded. Then translated to English and to other modern languages.
Then interpreted from pulpits across the faire lande by preachers, by laypersons.
And I keep asking the creation scientists to list all of the species at the time of the flood, describe the necessary sized vessel to hold them, and show that technology was available to build such a vessel.
No takers yet. Surely with only 6,000 years of history to sort through, it should be easy to conjur up evidence of the type I request.
The creation scientists nit pick every gap in millions of years of natural history, yet consistently fail to provide scientific evidence of their claims.
But you never answered the question put to you. Responding with a statement about teaching religion in schools (post 191) is not an answer to the two questions.
It's not an inane question. It's very relevant because as a rule, evos tend to support only a complete ban on teaching or even addressing creation along with evolution in the public schools. And the lack of answer on the part of the evos, really tells anyone what the evos position really is; that is ban creation.
The opt out option is used for other courses where the parents object to the course content. It could be used here but I haven't found an evo yet who'd support a common sense, inexpensive solution to the issue of teaching creation in public schools.
The only option is they ever support is an outright ban. Not only do they not want their kids to hear about it, they don't want anyone else's kids to hear about creation either.
It's more than hypocritical that they would object so strongly to their kids hearing something they don't want them to hear, but are so willing to force other people's kids to hear what the other parents don't want them to hear. All in the name of science.....
Why?
To what end do you want to know?
Asking one person twice is not what you are implying that you are doing.
No takers yet. Surely with only 6,000 years of history to sort through, it should be easy to conjur up evidence of the type I request.
If you're considering that the evidence is *conjured up* then you're really getting the answer you deserve.
If you're not taking it seriously to begin with, then it doesn't deserve the time involved to give it the courtesy of an answer.
LMAO!
No one "owes" you anything.
“...describe the necessary sized vessel to hold them, and show that technology was available to build such a vessel.”
You seem to have struck a nerve!
Very interesting reading:
How did the animals fit on Noah’s Ark?
What animals did Noah take onto the Ark?
Where did they store all the food?
How could the Ark be big enough?
What about all the animal wastes?
http://creationontheweb.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter13.pdf
I see that your still up and still avoiding the question.
#317.
You have claimed that most Christians believe the way you do. You have claimed that Christians that believe the bible as the word of God are weak in faith. You have stated this with great pride and yet You won’t answer a simple question? What does that say about you?
I love Ravi Z’s take: time+chance+cells is completely random to produce a person’s mind at that moment. Such a statement has a probability that approaches zero.
He is even more grieved when we fail to accept what He reveals to us in public revelation also known as His Word.
Your writeup uses 8,000 species, yielding 16,000 aboard. Is that 8 page document your best source to support the Noah Ark story with “science?”
This source estimates many, many times that number of species. Estimates range from 1.5 million to 100 million; a whole lot more than 8,000.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/FelixNisimov.shtml
Can anybody reconcile such a wide gap with such figures?
Your 8 page scientific paper itself seems to say horses and donkeys and zebras “came from” one common ancestor. Seems to resemble something a lot like evolution.
How many people were onboard, to crew the vessel, and to attend to 16,000 animals daily?
The Bible is admittedly full of allegory. Google “Biblical allegory.”
The church kept Gallileo under house arrest because he claimed the earth circled the sun, in opposition to the church doctrine of the day.
That church has since come to accept that which science has proved true.
It is completely rational to believe God created man and everything else, through a great process only he could set in motion.
And to believe sometime modern man set down in writing his best understanding of the history of life as he then knew it; albeit with some devine revelations.
And to believe all of that and also reject an earth only 6,000 years old, because God created a man smart enough to do real science.
You didn't answer my question. You wrote, "God doesn’t smile on nations that treat the Gospel with such disdain."
Last I checked Israel, is a nation in which the Gospel is not believed by the majority of the population. So my question stands: Do you believe that God doesn't smile on Israel.
To respond to your question, if Jesus has a problem with my Jewish friends, then I have a problem with him.
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