Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
There is a huge difference between what FactCheck has done and what Polarik claims to have done. FactCheck says they asked for access to the document and presents some photos. Polarik claims to have proven forgery through a forensic analysis of images.
Forensic analysis of evidence is a practical science. There are methods and standards involved in science. In order to be taken seriously one must meet those standards.
In this specific example, if one is going to claim that Hawaiian policy is to change the stamp each year and to only use one variation of the stamp each year, then one better have a citation to something that proves that is Hawaiian policy. Looking at a couple of photos doesn't cut it.
Only one way to resolve this dispute: have him (Obama) show us the long form birth certificate.
Pot, Kettle. :)
"Looking at a couple of photos doesn't cut it" applies as much to Obama/Factcheck photos as it does to the other collection of photographs; -if you want to make that kind of argument.
I don't know that I'd say they punted. NBC was not at issue, and so anything they said or might have said on the subject was or would have been dicta. Only citizenship was at issue, not NBC.
They don't change the seal designs every other month. Use some common sense. They only way to legitimately resolve this issues is to release the long form B.C..
If Obama were to submit that CoLB in court, lawyers would jump all over the discrepancies and demand to see the long form B.C.. Period.
If he was born outside the country, and his parents were not married. (Of course then they would not have needed to get a divorce, and they did get one) then there would really be no reason to prevent access to the birth certificate, long or short forms. Sure, he'd be a bastard, but that didn't mean much in 2008, although it certainly did in 1961. However it would also mean that he was a citizen at birth, because his mother would have been unwed, in which case the law, then as now, provides that the baby takes the citizenship of the mother. Of course "natural born" would still be a question, but it under the theory that BHO Sr was his mother's husband at the time he was married, since he was not a US Citizen, nor a legal immigrant, but just here on a student visa, and still a subject of the British Crown. Of course the divorce could be a smokescreen as well, allowing Ann to marry Sotero without having to admit she wasn't married to BHO Sr. Although an annulment or other arrangement based on his already being married at the time would have been as easy, and not required his cooperation.
An honest listener to the audio of that incident would say:
He understood the conversation just fine. I don't think he knew about the Natural Born citizen requirement, but he understood just fine.
That divorce decree was very interesting, because it proved that Obama Sr and Ann were indeed married, so if she dropped the baby in another country he may not even be a citizen at all, what to speak of a natural born citizen. I am sure, being the “free spirit” (blechh) that she was, she wouldn’t have bothered with a fake divorce decree just to marry Soetoro, making it appear she had previously been married... And the divorce decree required Obama Sr’s involvement. If they weren’t married, he certainly wouldn’t have gone along with a faux divorce.
Don't change the subject, the conversation was about the power of Congress to determine how citizenship is conferred. Where was Congress given that power. It's relevant to citizenship if he was not born in the US, and could be relevant if he was born in the US of a non citizen father, which he admits to. Not to citizenship of course, but to "natural born citizenship".
Now that is a cold hard fact that is difficult to ignore. The photos were funneled to an entity which is a part of the Foundation where Obama had friends and former colleagues. Were there no other organizations that could have evaluated the short form w/o the smell of possible bias?
Why not present a certified copy of his BC, long form, to a respected neutral party, one with no connections to him at all? One that would raise no suspicion.
That's what I would have done if citizens and media types were asking for proof of circumstances at my birth and some were questioning whether I was a NBC.
Had you noticed that McCain took a dive for O;bummer?
And fact check has been a twisted propaganda mill for at least the last 7 years, just like sopes.com
It is as if the trolls reflexively outsource virtually all of their rational thinking and virtually all of their investigative potential to third parties... the rationale (when you back them into a corner) being that if there is some fact or thought that the MSM has not yet reported, someone in the MSM would have already dug it up for them, so they have no incentive to think about anything or look for information, nor do they seem capable of relating to anyone else who would opt to do so. However, if that is true, why are they on FR to begin with-- unless someone is paying them to regurgitate MSM disinformation?
That is total balderdash. - Parents have total descretion over their minor's legal affairs, especially citizenship.
“Where Obama was born or whether or not his certificate is a forgery has absolutely nothing to do with politics. Either he was born in Hawaii or he wasn’t. Either his certificate is a forgery or it isn’t.”
Are you crazy? Of course it has to do with politics!!!
Is POTUS not the highest political office in the land?
Are there standards for holding that office?
One is that he must be a natural born citizen of the USA.
His grandmother says he was born in Kenya, and he continues to obfuscate. Why is that? Maybe he just wants to stick is nose in the air and tell America to go f itself.
Give me one rational reason for his refusal to give access
to the sealed original or certified copy.
Why does he put the courts and the country trough all this crap of thumbing his nose?
Right! I fell into their little trap. What do we call them, deniers? Or just 0bama fans? Bootlickers, maybe. No one but no one spends this much time, so earnestly, so obsessively, without an agenda.
No he was not. He was here on a student visa. That does not a "legal resident" make. Anymore than having a tourist visa for a visit to Disneyworld would.
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