Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
Go get ‘em Tiger, I mean Kitty!
I suspect we’re pretty close in age and I know which doc delivered me too. Of course, the fact that the nurse who assisted was a young first cousin of mine might have something to do with it. We remain close.
If these guys look to the MSM as “credible news sources,” what more do we really need to know about them? Being 80% liberal Democrats makes them credible, I suppose.
That seems a bit harsh. I'm of an older generation, and I don't know the name of the doctor that delivered me, either. I grew up in a suburb, not a small community, so I suspect that's the real difference - the doctor was not someone we would normally meet again.
757 posted on February 07, 2009 3:48:43 PM by curiosity
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Curiosity: You say "every other quoted statement by Obama and other relatives indicate Kapioliani Medical center as his place of birth."
Could you please explain further by what you mean when you say above that "other relatives" say Obama was born in the Kapiolani center.
I ask the question above for this reason: As you may know, several relatives in Kenya seem to say that Obama was born in Kenya and not in Hawaii.
Also, there does not seem to be any Hawaii hospital record that a Stanley Ann Dunham/Obama was ever a patient in a Hawaii hospital on Aug. 4, 1961.
No 'short form' was ever released! - only the proven fake, that was admitted to be a fake by the fool that originally posted it.
Every statement in every post you make is false.
Okay, fine. Forget news sources. How about this: there is no credible evidence that he was born in Kenya.
I'm sorry, are you denying that Obama went by the name Barry Sotero for several years during his youth??
No, what I am saying is that there is no proof he legally changed his name.
Going by a name, and legally changing it, are two different things.
Unless it affects his allegiance and his citizenship status, as in renouncing his citizenship and not ever reclaiming it.
There is no evidence, zero, zip, nada that he ever renounced his US citizenship.
And no, the Indonesian private school registration form is not evidence. A minor cannot renounce his US citizenship.
If you want to assert he renounced his citizenship, you would have to find evidence of him doing so after his 18th birthday. To date, I have seen none. Have you?
I assert Obama is evading requests for his birth certificate, where I use evade in the sense of M-W as given above.
LOL. Yeah, he's so evasive, he's posted photos of his birth certificate on the internet!
It is if you are President, have something about your qualifications that you desperately want hidden, to the point of filing many legal arguments and briefs rather than dig in the closet and spend $4 to fax a document to the press or $50 to send a certified copy to a court.
He has posted photos of his birth certificate on the internet. Why would you prefer to have him fax it to the press? What's the difference?
Thanks for that Michelle.
I take it, then, that you concede my point that no Kenyan relative claims he was born in Kenya.
Only after making the claims to a reporter and then seeing the firestorm of negative publicity-- an understandable reaction, but he made the claims.
He made no such claim. He was tripped up in aggressive questioning by a radio talkshow host who was trying to get him to slip up.
That's absurd and a last ditch rationalization. Ambassadors to the US who can't speak English??
I never said he couldn't speak English. I said he's not a native speaker. There's s difference.
A non-native speaker of any language is more likely to misspeak and get tripped up by aggressive questioning.
Again he is Ambassador to Kenya, not just any guy on the street.
Having the position of Ambassador to the US from Kenya gives him no special knowledge of the circumstances of Obama's birth.
He's not a member of his family. He is not a close friend of the family. He has zero first hand knowledge of the cirumstances of Obama's birth.
You are insulting Kenya by suggesting he is not in command of his intellect or uninformed or both.
No, I am simply saying that his position as ambassador gives him no special knowledge about the circumstances of Obama's birth.
Retainers are just pre-paid sums, not a rate like insurance.
They are pre-paid sums that cover routine legal work, like routine motions to dismiss. That is why filing these motions is very unlikely to have cost him a cent.
They are indeed a well organized, and persistant group.
They see us as an impediment to their coup, which is presently failing of its own indistinct mass.
Also, there does not seem to be any Hawaii hospital record that a Stanley Ann Dunham/Obama was ever a patient in a Hawaii hospital on Aug. 4, 1961.
If you have an on-the-record denial by a hospital that she was a patient, please share that information via link. Otherwise, be aware that there is a huge difference between such a denial, and a refusal to answer or confirm that she was a patient. Under HIPAA law no hospital can confirm that someone was a patient without risking stiff penalties:
1. be fined not more than $50,000, imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both;
2. if the offense is committed under false pretenses, be fined not more than $100,000, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both; and
3. if the offense is committed with intent to sell, transfer, or use individually identifiable health information for commercial advantage, personal gain, or malicious harm, be fined not more than $250,000, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both."
Also, for those interested, the death of the patient does not change the duty of confidentiality.
LOL and thanks. All I meant was our values are different. Families were close back then and you knew everyone. What a change now. You’re lucky now if you know your neighbor.
I also meant experience of age too.
You've got his number!
I also had the same doctor (not my delivering one) for over 50 years. How about that? LOL
"Fact Check" is William Ayers.
And the liberals know that persistence has paid off for them, so it bugs them to see us being so persistent on this.
We can go round and round all day.
You keep claiming we asked for the wrong thing or we didn’t ask the right people, or we didn’t ask nicely - that’s all bullshit!
The long and the short of it is that 0bama has concealed just about every document he can and refuses to to let anyone find out who he really is.
That starts all the way back with his birth certificate. There are multiple credible concerns about his status and he is obstructing the resolution of those concerns.
This isn’t “transparency” and “openness”, it’s a well orchestrated defense of a deceitful, questionable, known liar.
The man is clearly untrustworthy and shouldn’t be let within a mile of the Oval Office.
BTW everyone, did you see that yesterday he slyly signed an Executive Order that requires all Federal Projects to employ Union workers. Yes - That 700 Billion he just took out our pockets is all going to spent on Union contracts....
Say hello to Fascism...
You’re welcome...and I don’t think you were being harsh...that poster has been inspiring rough responses all day!
"Fact Check" is William Ayers.
I'm not sure what conclusion to draw on the whole about the birth certificate questions, but statements like this demand proof - do you have any?
Because I remember during the 2004 vice presidential debates when Vice President Cheney suggested that people check Edward's claims by looking them up on Fact Check. (He made an understandable slip and said factcheck.com but clearly meant factcheck.org, as he also mentioned it was run by the Annenberg public policy center.)
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