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Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts And Questions Say; 'Probably Not!'
Source? Sherlock Holmes | MB26

Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26

Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”

Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?

Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”

Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.

Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.

If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.

But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.

That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”

But there is a second, and perhaps new point!

Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?

Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?

Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?

What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!

What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!

Anybody ?!?!?!

Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!

Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?

Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.

Is this the same situation?


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To: curiosity

It’s impossible to think that Dunham ever believed that she was going to be a mother without changing a diaper. And even she realized it wasn’t going to happen on it’s own.


1,401 posted on 02/09/2009 3:45:45 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Michael Michael
Um, stewardess? I'm flying with my three week old baby to Seattle to see my old high school friend on Mercer Island so she can teach me how to change a diaper. However my boy's just dropped a load, so if you would be so kind, could you please change his diaper for me?

RFLOL! I can certainly visualize it!

1,402 posted on 02/09/2009 3:46:54 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity
All that gibberish for ducking the main question posed by you which was: And you know this how????

Who gives a rip whether she skipped class or not - - the issue that flew over your head is the simple statement of fact that women are taught how - which is how we know. Whether O's Mom paid attention or not is moot to the above question..."And you know this HOW?"

Also noticed you failed to address another important question: Why are you so obscessed with keeping the long form hidden?

Res ipsa loquitur.

1,403 posted on 02/09/2009 3:48:16 PM PST by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma
the issue that flew over your head is the simple statement of fact that women are taught how -

Being taught, and actually learning, are two different things, granny.

Just because she was taught does not mean she was proficient at it. Nor does it mean that should could not have benefited from some pointers offered by her friends on Mercer island.

This is so obvious, I can't believe I have to point it out.

Why are you so obscessed with keeping the long form hidden?

I'm not keeping anything hidden, dear granny. You seem to be confusing me with the Hawaii Department of Public Health. It's their policy to keep everyone's (not just Bambi's) long form private, not mine.

Now why are you so obcessed with seeing the long form? Why aren't you satistfied with the short form?

1,404 posted on 02/09/2009 3:55:34 PM PST by curiosity
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To: mlo
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm

Now I know that this statute was revised in 1982. But to what extent it was actually revised I am still not sure. It could have well been minor revisions to an already existing law. I have been trying to find what the law books were saying back in '59 through '61, but it has been relatively difficult to go back that far for specific information.

Again, the logistics involved sort of mandate that kind of flexibility because Hawaii is a tiny state that is isolated out there in the Pacific. And travel in and out state becomes a necessity for just about everyone at some point or another.

1,406 posted on 02/09/2009 3:59:33 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
Wrong. You can obtain a Certification of Live Birth for an out of state birth provided you can prove actual Hawaiian residency.

Again, a Certification of Live Birth is NOT a document unto itself. It is not issued in the absence of a birth certificate. That's because a Certification of Live Birth is a COPY of the birth certificate.

Read what it says right on the document itself:

This COPY serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding. [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]


It says this COPY, not this CERTIFICATE.

Now look at the statute cited on the document providing for the issuance of COPIES of birth certificates.

§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health.


So once again, a Certification of Live Birth is NOT a document unto itself. It is a COPY of a birth certificate and is only issued if there is already a BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file with the Department of Health.

No birth certificate, no Certification of Live Birth.


1,407 posted on 02/09/2009 3:59:38 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: curiosity
Still ducking both questions and using insults at the same time. Time for the old -


1,408 posted on 02/09/2009 4:02:45 PM PST by conservativegramma
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To: curiosity
Nonsense. You still haven't provided plausible reasons. Simple enough.

We can refer to you "Mr. Media Matters" since we all know that you are fan of the site and probably of David Brock himself.

1,409 posted on 02/09/2009 4:03:48 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
Now I know that this statute was revised in 1982.

No, that statute was ENACTED in 1982. The earliest year in the statute's history is the year it was enacted. Revisions or amendments are listed afterward. Such as this, from 338-13 which I previously quoted:

[L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]


It was ENACTED in 1949. And subsequently revised or amended in 1955, 1959, and most recently in 1978.


1,411 posted on 02/09/2009 4:05:55 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: conservativegramma

You know, most of those troll characteristics apply to you and your birther friends. Who is really the troll here?


1,418 posted on 02/09/2009 4:07:56 PM PST by mlo
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To: curiosity

Listen, David Brock, we know that’s really you. You can come out of the closet, -one more time. You’ve already been promoting your website here at FR.


1,419 posted on 02/09/2009 4:10:30 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: curiosity
When you take Constitutional Law, you will learn about the Establishment Clause, the Equal Protection Clause and Diaper Change Clause.
1,420 posted on 02/09/2009 4:12:45 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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