Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
LOL
What is the number on that talking point? ... The one where you are instructed to try and switch the issue to citizenship and ignore the issue of natural born citizenship. You obamanoids are repeating the talking points a bit too often at FR, we’ve seen them too often to be misdirected the way you intend. Besides, there is no proof that he’s even a citizen, only hearsay.
Then would you please pop over to the thread where mlo is struggling with a graphics problem and straighten it out? Instead of trying (successfully) to prove that you are even more annoying than he is?
In one of the court cases pending, Jr’s lawyers have pointed to the C.O.L.B. as posted on FactCheck AND the birth announcement published in the Hawaii papers as proof of his natural born Status! The birth announcement is suspect because the address given was owned by Orland and Thelma Lefforge not by the Dunhams. The Dunhams lived over 7 miles away at 2277 Kamehameha Ave., as stated by Jr himself in his book.
Further, the original long form birth certificates of former Presidents are on display in their respective Presidential libraries along with school records and papers from before they became President.(Check the holdings for each Presidential library)
There isn’t much of anything to go into a Presidential library for Jr, he attended Noelani Elementary School in Hawaii before going to Indonesia but the DOE cannot find any paperwork for him!
MM:”If there were indeed an error discovered on the original record, then I imagine it would be the original record that would be corrected.”
This is doubtful since it would require all the original participants (who may be deceased) to sign the document again to be official. It would also remove the forensic trail that is provided by the original document. More likely they would keep all historic documentation related to the birth record. That would mean the original and any ammendments that were relevant would be on file.
I do know this is true of most all official legal documents but am not 100% sure it is the case for Hawaiian birth records.
Any new “certification” of the birth record would then provide only the most up-to-date information available. Of course, this would be irrelevant for 99% of the BCs out there but I would suspect that mistakes are made on occasion and there must be a legal mechanism in place to remedy such situations.
As done through C & P note the footnotes where the lawyers point directly to the C.O.L.B. as posted online and mention the birth announcement in the Hawaiian newspapers.
Hollister v. Soetoro: Defendant Motion to Dismiss (curious footnotes)
Righgt Side of Life blog ^ | 1-29-2009 | Right Side Of Life blog
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:54:04 PM by Frantzie
I just received a copy of the Motion to Dismiss in Philip Berg’s recent case, Hollister v. Soetoro. Aside from the usual defensive arguments, the following footnotes are very telling:
Regarding Berg’s claim of ineligibility:
1 President Obama has publicly produced a certified copy of a birth certificate showing that he was born on August 4, 1961, in Honolulu Hawaii. See, e.g., Factcheck.org, “Born in the U.S.A.: The truth about Obama’s birth certificate,” available at http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html (concluding that the birth certificate is genuine, and noting a contemporaneous birth announcement published in a Honolulu newspaper). Hawaii officials have publicly verified that they have President Obama’s “original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” See “Certified,” Honolulu Star Bulletin, Oct. 31, 2008. This Court can take judicial notice of these public news reports. See The Washington Post v. Robinson, 935 F.2d 282, 291 (D.C. Cir. 1991); Agee v. Muskie, 629 F.2d 80, 81 n.1, 90 (D.C. Cir. 1980).
“Obama is a figment of our imaginations”
No, he may be the figment of someone’s imagination, but he is the physical re-incarnate of Lenin to me!
I dunno about three, but off the top of my head, I can name more than one who has had at least two different reported birth places.
Andrew Jackson(^) & Chester A Arthur each have at least two reported birthplaces.
I can't name any who went to a Muslim country or attended a Muslim school as a child, but I can name at least one who was interested enough to have owned a personal copy of the Koran. What's up with that? Think Jefferson was a secret Muslim?
I can name at least one President of the United States who changed his name without thinking too hard about it. And unlike Obama, who may have had his name changed without his permission by a parent, President Leslie King didn't change his name until he was well into his 20's. What's up with that & what was he trying to hide?
And finally, children go to the schools their parents tell them to go to, they go by the name their parents tell them to go by, and they live where their parents tell them to live, so how do any of those things indict anyone for anything?
An adoption occurs when one or both of the individuals determined at the time of birth to be the natural parent(s) are changed to indicate an individual who is not a natural parent. The parental information as well as the child’s name (if desired) will be updated in accordance with Oklahoma law and upon receipt of the court order.
Please note that if an individual was born in another state but adopted in the State of Oklahoma, the Adoption Decree is forwarded to that state of birth for processing and if a child was born in Oklahoma but adopted in another state, the Adoption Decree will be forwarded to the State of Oklahoma for processing. We do not maintain birth records for individuals born in other states.
When an adoption occurs and we receive proper documents from the Court, the original birth certificate is removed from the file and replaced with the new adoptive birth certificate. The original birth certificate and court documents are placed in a sealed confidential file and only opened by order of the court or as provided for in Oklahoma Statutes.
http://www.ok.gov/health/Birth_and_Death_Certificates/Certificate_Amendments/index.html
As can be seen in this example, the adoption record is kept and the original birth record is kept. But when a BC is requested, only the most recent data is presented to the requestor. For all we know, Obama could have been later adopted by Obama Sr. and there may have been no original father identified on his long form BC. Or perhaps a different father than Obama Sr. was identified on the original? Because we do not have the original long form record to review, we can only speculate that they could be different. Nothing can be proven (or disproven) until we have all the related documentation.
Certainly, any reasonable individual would have to infer from BHO's resistance to release the long form birth record that there is some significant difference...
Plaintiff's allegations are patently false and baseless1, but even taking them as true for purposes of this Motion, the suit must be dismissed immediately. Plaintiff fails to establish the Court's jurisdiction and he fails to state a claim upon which relief can be granted.
True but irrelevant to his eligibility. Some might find it a reason to vote against him, but it by no means disqualifies him under the Constitution.
2) Obama was adopted by an Indonesian man and Obama lived many years in Indonesia.
It has not been substantiated that he was adopted, let alone "self evident." Even if he had been adopted, it still would not impact his eligibility for the presidency.
Has he proved evidence that he was properly repatriated? No!
Yes he has. Under the laws in effect at the time, even if Soetero adopted him (which is not proven), all he would have to do to properly repatriate himself is establish residency in the US before age 25. He more than met this obligation, establishing residency at age 10. No documents or procedure were necessary.
3) Unlike other presidents no one in Obama’s early life has stepped forward and proudly announced that they knew the family at the time of his birth, visited the mom and baby, or even knew him as an infant. Odd, isn't it?
I don't recall anyone stepping forward announcing they visted baby Bush or baby Clinton.
4) Obama has used more than one first and last name. How many presidents have done that? None!
The only thing that has been substantiated is that he sometimes used the nickname name "Barry." Ever heard of Dick Nixon?
There is some evidence that he might have used the last name of Soetero while living in Indonesia from age 4 to age 10, though there is no evidence he ever legally changed is last name to Soetero.
So what? Please explain to me how this is relevant to the matter of his eligibility.
5) Then rather than simply release this easily obtained information regarding birth certificate,
He's done that.
repatriation records,
Such records do not exist, given that he did not have to formally repatriate himself, even if Soetero adopted him (which itself has not been proven).
college admission forms, passport info and travel,
Please name a president who has released such documents to the public, and please explain the relevance to his eligibility.
and adoption records
LOL. While we're at it, let's have him dislose all his dental files, his little league sign-up sheet, and his high school transcripts. All these documents are no less relevant to his eligibility than his adoption records, assuming they exist (and there's little reason to believe they do).
Sorry....We have **never** had a president with such a bizarre family history and shady past.
Perhaps, but nothing in this past makes him ineligible to be president.
I'm not struggling with a graphics problem. I'm struggling with a particular poster who insists on seeing his own pet issue in an unrelated discussion, and won't accept very clear statements that he's talking about something else.
Michael Michael:”Obama was born in Oklahoma?”
I assumed you to be an intelligent individual and one willing (and eager) to discuss the many potential aspects of this case. I am beginning to suspect that many of the claims concerning your subversive (troll-like) behavior are true.
I obviously posted an example of how a particular state (which is part of the United States) handles these cases. I could not readily find the same sort of information for Hawaii on the WEB nor what was in effect for Hawaii at the time of Obama’s birth. But regardless, I would doubt that Hawaii was much different than what is stated for Oklahoma in my previous post.
Please use a little more common sense in your next response to me.
How could you forget our 38th president, Leslie Lynch King?
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