Outstanding and chock full of hard, indisputable facts.
One of these cases will hit it right and ZERO will be removed from office.
It'll be this one, WITHOUT A DOUBT!!!
Posted on 01/30/2009 10:26:26 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
A new lawsuit is challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president, and this one targets Congress as a defendant for its "failure" to uphold the constitutional demand to make sure Obama qualified before approving the Electoral College vote that actually designated him as the occupant of the Oval Office.
The new case raises many of the same arguments as dozens of other cases that have flooded into courtrooms around the nation since the November election.
It is being brought on behalf of Charles F. Kerchner Jr., Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. and names as defendants Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives and former Vice President Dick Cheney along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 193,000 others and sign up now!
As WND has reported, dozens of lawsuits have been filed over Obama's eligibility to assume the office of the president. Many have been dismissed while others remain pending.
The cases, in various ways, have alleged Obama does not meet the "natural born citizen" clause of the U.S. Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, which reads, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
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Another terrific article and case. One of these cases will hit it right and ZERO will be removed from office.
I see a very different cartoon. I see a very stupid Uncle Sam sitting in the back of a car while an unqualified (no birth certificate, may not even be a legal citizen) idiot tears it apart. ;0)
How to tell a conservative from a democrat?
A democrat says "nonpartsan Factcheck."
Thanks for a real copy.
Oh my God! I am up to message #24 in this thread - the last one so far and not one Obot denier message yet???
;-)
Do they get Saturdays off or do they sleep late after binging the night before?
Really?
"Tourists can obtain a free, 30-day visa (necessary for Americans) at border crossings and airports. "
LAHORE, A SURVIVOR WITH A BITTERSWEET HISTORY
New York Times, June 14th, 1981
Outstanding and chock full of hard, indisputable facts.
One of these cases will hit it right and ZERO will be removed from office.
It'll be this one, WITHOUT A DOUBT!!!
Both versions are "real". What you posted is the form filled out in 1963. But if you were born in Hawaii and you submit a request for your birth certificate, the one like Obama posted is what they send. The data on it comes from the original. It is just as "real". It is an official certified birth certificate that can be used for any purpose requiring a birth certificate.
Just last month I had to request my own birth certificate from California and they automatically sent me the long form version. With attending physician's signature. It is a copy of the original from microfiche that is printed on modern paper, with a raised seal and sig of county recorder.
That piece of worthless paper Obama posted to his website wouldn't even let him back in the country if he wasn't "The One."
Actually there is, as even Polarik acknowledges. It was difficult to see on the scan, but you can see it. Image processing made it clearer. Then it is clearly visible in the photographs of the 3D object.
"The information is taken from the original and filled in on the short form - thereby leaving it open to manipulation. There should be a long form in existence that looks like the one above. Where is it? That's the one that the gov of Hawaii put under lock and key after the Chicago Thug crew visited her with some really embarrassing news about herself that she didn't want made public. It's called blackmail."
You concede that the information comes from the original. Good. As for possible manipulation, there is no basis for assuming any. That document is prima facie proof of the facts on it. If someone can prove something on it false, then we can talk about it being wrong. We can't assume it's just wrong *somehow*.
BTW, the whole putting under lock and key after a visit thing is a myth. Hawaiian law prohibits the release of the document except to certain people. That was true before and is still true now.
"Just last month I had to request my own birth certificate from California and they automatically sent me the long form version..."
That's California. Hawaii does it as previously described.
"That piece of worthless paper Obama posted to his website wouldn't even let him back in the country if he wasn't 'The One.'"
Says who?
That's what the Obama civilian army is for. Go to taxpayer homes who are being audited and make lists of everything they own.
The bottom line is this: the biggest evidence of fraud is Obama's refusal to reveal the long form birth certificate. End of story. Just like John Kerry never released his military records to "prove" the Swift Boat Vets were lying.
If he's got something to prove, then prove it. This birth certificate is not an original and therefore you cannot prove it hasn't been manipulated.
"You concede that the information comes from the original. Good."
And you can take your condescending attitude and shove it. I've done lots of research in genealogy and received lots of birth and death certificates from all over the country (and England too). I know how the process works. I'm also a graphic designer and familiar with Photoshop. I'm not sitting here talking about f-ing UFOs, for crying out loud. If he comes clean with a true birth certificate, I'll be the first one in line to congratulate him on his American birth and citizenship. Until that time, he's a Kenyan-born Indonesian citizen and an illegitimate president.
Possible! Could also be Taitz or Berg or any of the other 30 or so cases against ZERO.
You still haven't provided the link to where Polarik does that.
Polarik says a lot of things. That's wan't the question. You said the scan didn't have a seal. It does.
"It has been turned into a "3D object" as you describe it by the Find Edges and Emboss filters in Photoshop."
No, you misunderstood what I said. The "3d object" i referred to was the paper document being held in the photographs. This thing:
"The bottom line is this: the biggest evidence of fraud is Obama's refusal to reveal the long form birth certificate. End of story."
Can you cite a single instance where Obama has "refused" to release it? He was asked to post a copy of his birth certificate. He did.
"Just like John Kerry never released his military records to "prove" the Swift Boat Vets were lying."
Because the Swift Boat Vets weren't lying. But Obama did release his birth certificate. Hawaiian officials confirmed it. There is no evidence that Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii. No matter what party he belongs to, there is no obligation that he respond to everyone on the internet that makes up stuff.
"And you can take your condescending attitude and shove it. I've done lots of research in genealogy and received lots of birth and death certificates from all over the country (and England too). I know how the process works."
I wasn't condescending. And let me remind you, you're the one that said that birth certificate wasn't "real", when it is.
"I'm also a graphic designer and familiar with Photoshop."
Then hopefully you'll know better than to take everything Polarik says at face value.
"I'm not sitting here talking about f-ing UFOs, for crying out loud."
It is almost that bad. Maybe not by you, but there has been a whole interconnected mythology developed about Obama's eligibility. Complete with government conspiracies, hidden evidence, altered documents, and profound misunderstandings of the law, and it all has as much proof behind it as the Roswell crash.
"If he comes clean with a true birth certificate, I'll be the first one in line to congratulate him on his American birth and citizenship. Until that time, he's a Kenyan-born Indonesian citizen and an illegitimate president."
This is not good logic. He isn't born in a particular place until he proves otherwise. Besides, the birth certificate that's been posted is a "true" birth certificate. It would be enough to settle the question in any court.
I certainly did. The first time you asked.
"Missing from the COLB image, at initially as seen with the naked eye, were the Seal and signatures. These two elements, along with a missing second fold line, would subsequently appear in the photos allegedly made from Obama's real COLB, and the same COLB allegedly used to make a scanned COLB image. Although the faded outline of the Seal was revealed, after the image was run through edge detection, and the signature stamp revealed, albeit barely, after color enhancements, the lower fold was still nowhere to be found in the image..."http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
The Certification of live birth posted by Obama on the internet doesn’t even qualify in Hawaii as equivalent to the original certificate (not certification) for all purposes, as has been pointed out numerous times.
So your statement that the certification is, paraphrased by me, “legally equivalent to the original certificate for all purposes,” is false.
Since you are so interested in defending Obama’s suspect documentation, I will let you put in the effort to find out which particular purposes the certification of live birth is insufficient for. If I remember correctly, it has something to do with homesteading or land ownership.
It's been pointed out numerous times that this is a false allegation.
"So your statement that the certification is, paraphrased by me, “legally equivalent to the original certificate for all purposes,” is false."
"Backers of the idea that Mr. Obama isn't a natural-born citizen say Mr. Obama's certification of live birth doesn't quell the issue. They say a certification can be obtained after birth.""Since you are so interested in defending Obama’s suspect documentation,...""But the Hawaii State Department of Health said Monday that there is no difference between a certificate and a certification of live birth in the eyes of the state. For instance, either can be used to confirm U.S. citizenship to obtain a passport or state ID, said Alvin Onaka, a research and statistics officer at the Department of Health."
THE WASHINGTON TIMES Thursday, August 28, 2008
I'm interested in countering a mythology that has a small segment of conservatives off chasing their tails.
"I will let you put in the effort to find out which particular purposes the certification of live birth is insufficient for. If I remember correctly, it has something to do with homesteading or land ownership."
Old news. It's program for persons with native Hawaiian ancestry, indigenous people, to qualify for a homesteading program. The program does not reject birth certificates, but they do require additional information about one's ancestry. This program has been misrepresented by the Obama ineligibility myth.
My, you are a trusting soul.
And a great apologist for Obama.
Isn’t it great that those who clamour loudest for transparency in others are the least likely to be willing to provide it in regard to themselves.
Keep believing my friend. I wouldn’t in the least be surprised to see your bubble popped when someone in our legal system decides they have enough intestinal fortitude to simply require that Obama actually document his citizenship status, whatever it is.
Hawaii claims to have Obama’s “original”, whatever it is, while Obama claimed his posted copy is “all” there is. Both cannot be true, unless there is no “original” certificate.
You quoted, “The program does not reject birth certificates, but they do require additional information about one’s ancestry.”
While not rejecting Obama’s certification, the American people (at least some of us) “require additional information about (the) one’s ancestry.” Like an original birth certificate which could reconcile the conflicting statements about where Obama was born: Mombasa, Kenya, or one of two different hospitals in Hawaii.
As long as Obama’s transparency pills are for others and not himself, I will take as a lie anything that comes from his mouth that cannot be independently, and thoroughly, verified.
By the way, do you, personally, believe that Obama was born in Hawaii?
Also, do you think he travelled on a foreign passport, not as an American, after becoming an adult (18 or over)?
Lastly, do you think he attended college as a foreign student?
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