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To: mlo
Actually, there is no recorder's seal on Obama's certificate, so the authenticity of it is in doubt as well. What he has shown is a short form that some states started using when ID theft became a problem. The information is taken from the original and filled in on the short form - thereby leaving it open to manipulation. There should be a long form in existence that looks like the one above. Where is it? That's the one that the gov of Hawaii put under lock and key after the Chicago Thug crew visited her with some really embarrassing news about herself that she didn't want made public. It's called blackmail.

Just last month I had to request my own birth certificate from California and they automatically sent me the long form version. With attending physician's signature. It is a copy of the original from microfiche that is printed on modern paper, with a raised seal and sig of county recorder.

That piece of worthless paper Obama posted to his website wouldn't even let him back in the country if he wasn't "The One."

29 posted on 01/31/2009 9:51:12 AM PST by ponygirl (I am opposed to Communists of any color.)
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To: ponygirl
"Actually, there is no recorder's seal on Obama's certificate..."

Actually there is, as even Polarik acknowledges. It was difficult to see on the scan, but you can see it. Image processing made it clearer. Then it is clearly visible in the photographs of the 3D object.

"The information is taken from the original and filled in on the short form - thereby leaving it open to manipulation. There should be a long form in existence that looks like the one above. Where is it? That's the one that the gov of Hawaii put under lock and key after the Chicago Thug crew visited her with some really embarrassing news about herself that she didn't want made public. It's called blackmail."

You concede that the information comes from the original. Good. As for possible manipulation, there is no basis for assuming any. That document is prima facie proof of the facts on it. If someone can prove something on it false, then we can talk about it being wrong. We can't assume it's just wrong *somehow*.

BTW, the whole putting under lock and key after a visit thing is a myth. Hawaiian law prohibits the release of the document except to certain people. That was true before and is still true now.

"Just last month I had to request my own birth certificate from California and they automatically sent me the long form version..."

That's California. Hawaii does it as previously described.

"That piece of worthless paper Obama posted to his website wouldn't even let him back in the country if he wasn't 'The One.'"

Says who?

30 posted on 01/31/2009 9:58:22 AM PST by mlo
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To: ponygirl
Just last month I had to request my own birth certificate from California and they automatically sent me the long form version. With attending physician's signature. It is a copy of the original from microfiche that is printed on modern paper, with a raised seal and sig of county recorder.

Here are the fields found on the Long Form California Certificate of Live Birth:

Certification of Vital Record
Office of Recorder
County of _________

CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH
STATE OF CALIFORNIA--DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH
State File Number ________
Local Registration District and Certificate Number ________

THIS CHILD
1A. Name of Child--First Name
1B. Middle Name
1C. Last Name
2. Sex
3A. This birth. Single, Twin, or Triplet?
3B. If Twin or Triplet, This Child Born 1st, 2nd, 3rd?
4A. Date of Birth--Month, Day, Year
4B. Hour
PLACE OF BIRTH
5A. Place of Birth--Name of Hospital
5B. Street Address (Give Street or Rural Address or Location. Do Not Use P.O. Box Numbers)
5C. City or Town
5D. County
MOTHER OF CHILD
6A. Maiden Name of Mother--First Name
6B. Middle Name
6C. Last Name
7. Color or Race of Mother
8. Age of Mother (At Time of This Birth)
9. Birthplace (State or Foreign Country)
10. Mailing Address of Mother--If Different From Usual Residence--For Notification of Birth Registration.
USUAL RESIDENCE OF MOTHER (WHERE DOES MOTHER LIVE?)
11A. Usual Residence of Mother--Street Address (Give Street Address or Rural Address or Location (Do Not Use P.O. Box Numbers)
11B. If Inside City Corporate Limits Check Here [box] If Outside City Corporate Limits Check One - On a Farm [box] Not on a Farm [box]
11C. City or Town
11D. County
11E. State
FATHER OF CHILD
12A. Name of Father--First Name
12B. Middle Name
12C. Last Name
13. Color or Race of Father
14. Age of Father (At Time of This Birth)
15. Birthplace (State or Foreign Country)
16A. Present or Last Occupation
16B. Kind of Industry or Business
INFORMANT'S CERTIFICATION
17A. [I Have Reviewed the Above Stated Information and Hereby Certify That It Is True and Correct to the Best of My Knowledge] Parent or Other Informant--Signature (If Other Than Parent, Specify)
17B. Date Signed by Informant
ATTENDANT'S CERTIFICATION
18A. [I Hereby Certify That I Attended This Birth and That the Child Was Born Alive at the Hour, Date and Place Stated Above.] Physician (or Other Person Who Attended This Birth) Signature--Degree or Title
18B. Address
REGISTRAR'S CERTIFICATION
19. Date on Which Name Added by Supplemental Name Report
20. Local Registrar--Signature
21. Date Received by Local Registrar

CERTIFIED COPY OF VITAL RECORDS
STATE OF CALIFORNIA } SS
COUNTY OF _________ }

This is a true and exact reproduction of the document officially registered and placed on file in the office of the ___________ County Recorder.
Date Issued ___________
[Signature and embossed seal]
_____ [Name]
_____ County Recorder

This copy not valid unless prepared on engraved border displaying date and signature of Recorder.
Any Alteration or Erasure Voids This Certificate

62 posted on 01/31/2009 5:28:35 PM PST by thecodont
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