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Beware Birth Certificate Hopefuls - You are in for quite a suprise (vanity)

Posted on 12/03/2008 8:14:35 AM PST by Scythian

This birth certificate issue has been going on for some time now and for those hoping for some kind of dramatic outcome you are in for another big disappointment.

First, there is always the chance that there is a valid birth certificate proving Obama to be a US citizen.

Second, enough time has passed such that the Obama cult has manufactured and installed a phony certificate that will re-route us back up to option 1 above, he will have a valid certificate. Who do you think works in these kinds of government offices? They're all democrats.

Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn't have to prove he didn't commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.

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Flame on, and sorry for the Vanity, but this is driving me nutz, this issue gets my hopes up but then common sense dashes my hope on the rocks, and this now is a daily occurrence. You are going to find a valid certificate at the end of this road if you are lucky enough to get a judge to demand it, and that is very unlikely, whether the certificate be real or phony it won't matter, and will never be able to proven either way.


TOPICS: US: Hawaii; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; constitution; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; whathospital
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To: Kevmo; melancholy

Thanks, Kevmo. Hey, melancholy, look here!


421 posted on 12/03/2008 7:07:30 PM PST by LucyT
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To: Ouderkirk; Fred Nerks; MHGinTN; Calpernia; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; ..
Thanks Fred Nerks and MHGinTn.

Ping.

I have stated in the past that I believe that this whole BC thing is a setup for a constitutional crisis by the democRATS. The opportunity to force a constitutional convention where they are holding the upper hand.

Democrats control both houses of the legislature in 23 states; Republicans in 15 and 11 are split. This adds up to 49 states because Nebraska's legislature is nonpartisan.

With a constitutional convention they could do as was done in 1787 and generate a completely new document. Get it ratified by 3/4's of the states (of which they have 2/3's already) and poof, health care is a right, guns are illegal, presidential term limits are gone, "natural born" is gone and "naturalized" is in for president, and on and on. That's the real goal here...the crisis is the means to the goal.

228 posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:46:29 AM by Ouderkirk

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2142157/posts?page=228#228

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I think you're right. IMO the Constitution was always the target.

383 posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:35:49 PM by Fred Nerks

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2142157/posts?page=383#383

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#387:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2142157/posts?page=387#387

422 posted on 12/03/2008 7:56:02 PM PST by LucyT
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To: MHGinTN; mnehrling

I’d love Ted to announce his candidacy....just to watch Jesse Jackson, etal, have a total meltdown. They would NOT know what to do with him.

:)

And the upside? He’s AN AWESOME GUY WHO DESERVES MORE ATTENTION! /yelling


423 posted on 12/03/2008 8:06:26 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma ( PRAY!)
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To: LucyT
I believe that this whole BC thing is a setup for a constitutional crisis by the democRATS>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Its a lot worse that a constitutional crisis. Its a bloody coup which may need a response of arms from the American People as freemen and freewomen.

424 posted on 12/03/2008 8:08:24 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: LucyT

Holy crap, could that scenario be possible??


425 posted on 12/03/2008 8:31:26 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: LucyT

Thanks LucyT

Ping.


426 posted on 12/03/2008 8:37:53 PM PST by Iowan
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To: Scythian
You know what, if Obama has a valid Birth Certificate, so be it.

I am not hoping for any particular outcome except that the Constitutional mandate is upheld and the truth is exposed.

I will support those who question the legal status of Obama until his right to the office is verified.

427 posted on 12/03/2008 8:45:10 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two wolves and one sheep deciding what's for dinner.)
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To: Scythian
There is nothing wrong with this subject on Free Republic. It has been for me and I would wager others, a learning process. Eventually even if and when the President-elect is sworn in, there will be time to have a thorough review of the laws. There have been a number of well written and various quotations of the laws, this on FR.

Like any law and what is written in the Constitution, there may be a deal of research and considered opinions about the various amendments to come. Eventually there will be a hard and fast requirement for anyone who then puts their name forward on a ballot for the Presidency.

There is a silver lining to this whole business. Thank heaven for the First Amendment to the Constitution. Nobody can stop us discussing this subject. Even the screaming, jeering, "stop it, stop it, enough already" ninnies of the left. I am referring to the other websites.

428 posted on 12/03/2008 8:51:52 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Old Sarge
could that scenario be possible??

Yes, possible; even probable. Wonder if a few prescience Germans asked the same question before WWII while the remainder of the sheeple willingly climbed into boxcars and went quietly into the 'showers'.

429 posted on 12/03/2008 9:03:14 PM PST by LucyT
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To: Iowan

You’re welcome, Iowan.


430 posted on 12/03/2008 9:04:53 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

Dear Lord.


431 posted on 12/03/2008 9:10:15 PM PST by STARWISE ((They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Ouderkirk
With a constitutional convention they could do as was done in 1787 and generate a completely new document. Get it ratified by 3/4's of the states (of which they have 2/3's already) and poof, health care is a right, guns are illegal, presidential term limits are gone, "natural born" is gone and "naturalized" is in for president, and on and on. That's the real goal here...the crisis is the means to the goal.

And the states start balkanizing the USA imediately. The one time they can secede legally is during a convention.

Dems pull this and I'm out and into the states that opt out IMMEDIATELY. Screw the credit ramifications, screw the property, I'll wash dishes if I have to do that in order to make it in the old American states.

432 posted on 12/03/2008 9:31:51 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: Drew68
who is redefining the constitution by asking the judges to create a new class of American-born "sub"-citizens that are not equal to other American-born citizens.

Huh?

433 posted on 12/03/2008 9:44:02 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma ( PRAY!)
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To: little jeremiah

No citation available from myself. It is just something I heard or read. It makes sense, but if someone says it is incorrect, I can’t argue the point.

Still, I’ll wager 0bama is found to be a citizen.


434 posted on 12/04/2008 4:38:27 AM PST by rgboomers (This space purposely left blank)
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To: Centurion2000

In 1787 The states’ representatives to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia were only authorized to amend the Articles of Confederation, the representatives held secret, closed-door sessions and wrote a new constitution.

I think that by the time the potential secession states knew what hit them....it would be too late.


435 posted on 12/04/2008 6:06:10 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Never underestimate the ability of a liberal to deny reality and attempt to change the rules to do s)
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To: mnehrling

Donofrio case is scheduled for conference with all 9 Justices on Dec 5.


436 posted on 12/04/2008 6:13:35 AM PST by ColdDecember (It is not just the BC)
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To: TheThinker; All

What’s at stake here is no longer how to solve domestic problems such as the economy, health care, energy, etc. It’s Freedom, Stupid.

A self-acclaimed Constitutional professor, no less, is shredding the Constitution. He is a Marxist from a Party that will run the country into the ground. He will undermine our ability to use our resources and preserve the only superpower. He and his allies will leak information about how we track and deal with terrorists and will make laws to restrict our ability to do so. He will try to resurrect the defeated Communism that this country is held responsible for obliterating. We will never be forgiven for this victory by the Left.

I don’t believe that talking will resolve anything. We have the impossible task of combating the revision of history, perpetrated everyday by the MSM, academia and the global Left.

It’s very unfortunate that our peace and tranquility are in the balance; however, defending freedom has never been free.


437 posted on 12/04/2008 7:57:23 AM PST by melancholy
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To: Scythian

To me the whole purpose of the Constitutional birth requirement was about mistrust. Is there anything rational in suggesting that a Finnish-born Professor with 10 Phds is not okay, but a Virginia-born drunken illiterate who works in a donkey-stable instead is?

What was in question was loyalty, trust. And wouldn’t you know it, those who love America now question Obama. The Constitution was prescient.

Trust, it’s all about trust. Obama is betraying the spirit of the constitution. It’s not even really a legal-logical issue, but a moral one. The man is keeping something as easy as 1+1=2 locked up as if it were the Coca-Cola formula. Many are debating pixels, the worthiness of COLBS, but as there is no real hard logic in the particular constitutional provision, (and the founding fathers must’ve known it) it is the spirit of it that must count. And the spirit of it is to be mistrustful, because whereas a foreign born can be even better mentally-equipped to serve as president it is more likely (though of course not certain) that his loyalties might not be right.

I cannot read anything else into the provision than mistrust. That’s the spirit of it and IMHO that’s what the supremes should consider and consequently demand to see the original BC.

But I’m not sitting on a bench in Washington. In fact I’m not even American.

Well, O.J. Simpson got off but became synonymous with “Travesty of Justice”... I fear that Obama will get off as well... but as far as I’m concerned, he will always be Mr. Coca-Cola-Formula Birth Certificate. He has already betrayed TRUST. If not the letter of the Constitution, certainly the spirit of it.

Nobody in his right mind retains the services of expensive law firms to hide 1+1=2. Nobody, nowhere, no how!

Read the inaugural addresses of the past presidents, all of them, Republican and Democrat alike, and all talk about extra-judicial things like courage, honor, charity, goodness, hope, new visions, etc.

When he’s sworn in, let Obama just make his oath and be gone, because he has no right to go beyond the letter of the law. Let him read the condominium rules for the State of Kansas.

The country wanted a leader of men and got itself a client of lawyers.


438 posted on 12/04/2008 11:13:20 AM PST by Mancolicani
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To: IrishPennant

That’s quite a list.


439 posted on 12/04/2008 11:24:49 AM PST by JerseyDvl (Since they call Bush, "Dubya" then I must insist on calling Barry, "Hussein" *2008=1984 on steroids*)
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To: JerseyDvl

Frightening!


440 posted on 12/04/2008 11:31:19 AM PST by IrishPennant (He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.)
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