Posted on 12/03/2008 8:14:35 AM PST by Scythian
This birth certificate issue has been going on for some time now and for those hoping for some kind of dramatic outcome you are in for another big disappointment.
First, there is always the chance that there is a valid birth certificate proving Obama to be a US citizen.
Second, enough time has passed such that the Obama cult has manufactured and installed a phony certificate that will re-route us back up to option 1 above, he will have a valid certificate. Who do you think works in these kinds of government offices? They're all democrats.
Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn't have to prove he didn't commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.
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Flame on, and sorry for the Vanity, but this is driving me nutz, this issue gets my hopes up but then common sense dashes my hope on the rocks, and this now is a daily occurrence. You are going to find a valid certificate at the end of this road if you are lucky enough to get a judge to demand it, and that is very unlikely, whether the certificate be real or phony it won't matter, and will never be able to proven either way.
Here is a fourth. Even if Obama was found to be born in Kenya to an American Mother, I would bet that Pelosi would call a special session and pass an emergency bill to change the four year residency requirement for one parent, retroactively, thus, recognizing Obama’s citizenship by way of his mother.
You are probably correct. The Constitution is nothing but toilet paper.
finally!!!!! someone that gets it...100% agree.
The larger possibility is that Oba Mao has a valid certificate and just wants to prove he is bigger than the constitution by refusing to show it. A clear majority of his rubberstamps in congress will go along with it.
We want to be proven wrong. Show us the BC.
Well aren’t you just spreading sunshine today?
Of course Congress doesn’t care because with the New visitor center at the Capitol they no longer have to Smell us peasants when we come begging for our entitlements...
“First, there is always the chance that there is a valid birth certificate proving Obama to be a US citizen”
Here’s the problime I have with that:
What candidate in his right mind would have/know of such a document and shilly shally about presenting it?
There’s this sticky little thing called an “ex post facto” law, that is also forbidden under the Constitution.
Ex Post Facto
I’m not a sunshine spreader, I am a skeptic about everything. :->
Can I take someone seriously who can't spell "surprise" or use a spell check?
What your vanity is ignoring is the fact that the Donofrio case at SCOTUS doesn’t care at all about the birth certificate. It focuses on the fact that his father was not an American at the time of his birth. This makes him ineligible under the Natural born Citizen provision.
“...no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen.”
Maybe you’re right. Perhaps not. IMO, the SCOTUS ought to take this bull by the horns, do what they’re paid to do, and set a precedent for the certification of Presidential qualifications.
> Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn’t have to prove he didn’t commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.
Surely to prove its case the Prosecution should be allowed to call into evidence his records from Hawaii? After all, they are Government property and not the personal property of His Excellency. That alone should be decisive.
As to retroactive legislation, I was under the distinct impression that the Constitution trumped the Senate and indeed the President and the Supreme Court. Or is the Constitution just for decoration these days?
If Pelosi gets to walk on your Constitution on this matter, bags I that His Excellency will try to take your guns away. After all, the Second Amendment will by then be only for decoration, too.
If this is an arrogance issue by Zer0, which I do not think it is, then he is not fit to be the leader of my local trash collection company, much less the country:
And by the way, maybe when he does show his BC, he can also take the time to show WE THE PEOPLE the following:
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Not Released
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released - Proven Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport (Pakistan) — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, Not Signed)
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None (Locked up to prohibit public view
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost (All other Illinois state senators’ records are intact)
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
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