Beware Birth Certificate Hopefuls - You are in for quite a suprise (vanity)

[Scythian]

This birth certificate issue has been going on for some time now and for those hoping for some kind of dramatic outcome you are in for another big disappointment.

First, there is always the chance that there is a valid birth certificate proving Obama to be a US citizen.

Second, enough time has passed such that the Obama cult has manufactured and installed a phony certificate that will re-route us back up to option 1 above, he will have a valid certificate. Who do you think works in these kinds of government offices? They're all democrats.

Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn't have to prove he didn't commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.

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Flame on, and sorry for the Vanity, but this is driving me nutz, this issue gets my hopes up but then common sense dashes my hope on the rocks, and this now is a daily occurrence. You are going to find a valid certificate at the end of this road if you are lucky enough to get a judge to demand it, and that is very unlikely, whether the certificate be real or phony it won't matter, and will never be able to proven either way.

[LucyT]

Thanks, Kevmo. Hey, melancholy, look here!

[LucyT]

Thanks Fred Nerks and MHGinTn.

Ping.

I have stated in the past that I believe that this whole BC thing is a setup for a constitutional crisis by the democRATS. The opportunity to force a constitutional convention where they are holding the upper hand.

Democrats control both houses of the legislature in 23 states; Republicans in 15 and 11 are split. This adds up to 49 states because Nebraska's legislature is nonpartisan.

With a constitutional convention they could do as was done in 1787 and generate a completely new document. Get it ratified by 3/4's of the states (of which they have 2/3's already) and poof, health care is a right, guns are illegal, presidential term limits are gone, "natural born" is gone and "naturalized" is in for president, and on and on. That's the real goal here...the crisis is the means to the goal.

228 posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:46:29 AM by Ouderkirk

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2142157/posts?page=228#228

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I think you're right. IMO the Constitution was always the target.

383 posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:35:49 PM by Fred Nerks

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2142157/posts?page=383#383

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#387:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2142157/posts?page=387#387

[Brad’s Gramma]

I’d love Ted to announce his candidacy....just to watch Jesse Jackson, etal, have a total meltdown. They would NOT know what to do with him.

:)

And the upside? He’s AN AWESOME GUY WHO DESERVES MORE ATTENTION! /yelling

[Candor7]

I believe that this whole BC thing is a setup for a constitutional crisis by the democRATS>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Its a lot worse that a constitutional crisis. Its a bloody coup which may need a response of arms from the American People as freemen and freewomen.

[Old Sarge]

Holy crap, could that scenario be possible??

[Iowan]

Thanks LucyT

Ping.

[Kickass Conservative]

You know what, if Obama has a valid Birth Certificate, so be it.

I am not hoping for any particular outcome except that the Constitutional mandate is upheld and the truth is exposed.

I will support those who question the legal status of Obama until his right to the office is verified.

[Peter Libra]

There is nothing wrong with this subject on Free Republic. It has been for me and I would wager others, a learning process. Eventually even if and when the President-elect is sworn in, there will be time to have a thorough review of the laws. There have been a number of well written and various quotations of the laws, this on FR.

Like any law and what is written in the Constitution, there may be a deal of research and considered opinions about the various amendments to come. Eventually there will be a hard and fast requirement for anyone who then puts their name forward on a ballot for the Presidency.

There is a silver lining to this whole business. Thank heaven for the First Amendment to the Constitution. Nobody can stop us discussing this subject. Even the screaming, jeering, "stop it, stop it, enough already" ninnies of the left. I am referring to the other websites.

[LucyT]

could that scenario be possible??

Yes, possible; even probable. Wonder if a few prescience Germans asked the same question before WWII while the remainder of the sheeple willingly climbed into boxcars and went quietly into the 'showers'.

[LucyT]

You’re welcome, Iowan.

[STARWISE]

Dear Lord.

[Centurion2000]

With a constitutional convention they could do as was done in 1787 and generate a completely new document. Get it ratified by 3/4's of the states (of which they have 2/3's already) and poof, health care is a right, guns are illegal, presidential term limits are gone, "natural born" is gone and "naturalized" is in for president, and on and on. That's the real goal here...the crisis is the means to the goal.

And the states start balkanizing the USA imediately. The one time they can secede legally is during a convention.

Dems pull this and I'm out and into the states that opt out IMMEDIATELY. Screw the credit ramifications, screw the property, I'll wash dishes if I have to do that in order to make it in the old American states.

[Brad’s Gramma]

who is redefining the constitution by asking the judges to create a new class of American-born "sub"-citizens that are not equal to other American-born citizens.

Huh?

[rgboomers]

No citation available from myself. It is just something I heard or read. It makes sense, but if someone says it is incorrect, I can’t argue the point.

Still, I’ll wager 0bama is found to be a citizen.

[Ouderkirk]

In 1787 The states’ representatives to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia were only authorized to amend the Articles of Confederation, the representatives held secret, closed-door sessions and wrote a new constitution.

I think that by the time the potential secession states knew what hit them....it would be too late.

[ColdDecember]

Donofrio case is scheduled for conference with all 9 Justices on Dec 5.

[melancholy]

What’s at stake here is no longer how to solve domestic problems such as the economy, health care, energy, etc. It’s Freedom, Stupid.

A self-acclaimed Constitutional professor, no less, is shredding the Constitution. He is a Marxist from a Party that will run the country into the ground. He will undermine our ability to use our resources and preserve the only superpower. He and his allies will leak information about how we track and deal with terrorists and will make laws to restrict our ability to do so. He will try to resurrect the defeated Communism that this country is held responsible for obliterating. We will never be forgiven for this victory by the Left.

I don’t believe that talking will resolve anything. We have the impossible task of combating the revision of history, perpetrated everyday by the MSM, academia and the global Left.

It’s very unfortunate that our peace and tranquility are in the balance; however, defending freedom has never been free.

[Mancolicani]

To me the whole purpose of the Constitutional birth requirement was about mistrust. Is there anything rational in suggesting that a Finnish-born Professor with 10 Phds is not okay, but a Virginia-born drunken illiterate who works in a donkey-stable instead is?

What was in question was loyalty, trust. And wouldn’t you know it, those who love America now question Obama. The Constitution was prescient.

Trust, it’s all about trust. Obama is betraying the spirit of the constitution. It’s not even really a legal-logical issue, but a moral one. The man is keeping something as easy as 1+1=2 locked up as if it were the Coca-Cola formula. Many are debating pixels, the worthiness of COLBS, but as there is no real hard logic in the particular constitutional provision, (and the founding fathers must’ve known it) it is the spirit of it that must count. And the spirit of it is to be mistrustful, because whereas a foreign born can be even better mentally-equipped to serve as president it is more likely (though of course not certain) that his loyalties might not be right.

I cannot read anything else into the provision than mistrust. That’s the spirit of it and IMHO that’s what the supremes should consider and consequently demand to see the original BC.

But I’m not sitting on a bench in Washington. In fact I’m not even American.

Well, O.J. Simpson got off but became synonymous with “Travesty of Justice”... I fear that Obama will get off as well... but as far as I’m concerned, he will always be Mr. Coca-Cola-Formula Birth Certificate. He has already betrayed TRUST. If not the letter of the Constitution, certainly the spirit of it.

Nobody in his right mind retains the services of expensive law firms to hide 1+1=2. Nobody, nowhere, no how!

Read the inaugural addresses of the past presidents, all of them, Republican and Democrat alike, and all talk about extra-judicial things like courage, honor, charity, goodness, hope, new visions, etc.

When he’s sworn in, let Obama just make his oath and be gone, because he has no right to go beyond the letter of the law. Let him read the condominium rules for the State of Kansas.

The country wanted a leader of men and got itself a client of lawyers.

[JerseyDvl]

That’s quite a list.

[IrishPennant]

Frightening!