Constitutional crisis looming over Obama's birth location

World Net Daily ^ | 11/14/08 | Bob Unruh

[solfour]

The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.

The legal action today is just the latest is a series of challenges, some of which have gone as high as the U.S. Supreme Court, over the issue of Obama's status as a "natural-born citizen," a requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.

WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.

The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.

[El Gato]

That is all he will ever need to produce. Sworn affidavits from the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health and the Registrar of Vital Statistics also add credibility to Obama’s side of any legal proceeding.

But it would be a photocopy, not a database printout.

But suppose you are right, all he needs is the short form. The why not submit it to the courts where lawsuits have been filed. Then they can examine the document and determine its authenticity, and whether it's been modified. You can't do that from the poorly done photos at FactCheck.

[El Gato]

There's also the issue of Obama being born as "Barry Soetoro."

He can't have been *born* Barry Soetoro, since his mother did not even meet Mr. Soetoro until well after this birth. However when Mr. Soetoro adopted him, then his name, and certain other items on the original birth certificate might have been changed, that's routine in adoption cases. What we know for certain is that he did use the name Barry Soetoro while living in Indonesia.

[jamese777]

“But it would be a photocopy, not a database printout.

But suppose you are right, all he needs is the short form. The why not submit it to the courts where lawsuits have been filed. Then they can examine the document and determine its authenticity, and whether it’s been modified. You can’t do that from the poorly done photos at FactCheck.”

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Copies of Obama’s Certification of Live Birth have been available for anyone to see on the web since August. If there are political opponents of Obama’s who don’t like the internet reproductions, oh well.
Hawaii state health department officials have verified the legitimacy of Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth and the copies on the internet certainly were clear enough images to allow ME to easily read the words “Place of Birth: Honolulu” and the words “7:24 P.M. August 4, 1961.”
If a court should request that Obama present the original hard copy document, I would imagine that his lawyers will present it, but thus far no court has made that request.
The Supreme Court of Hawaii rejected Andy Martin’s request to see the document in its original form. The Federal District Court in Pennsylvania said that Phillip Berg didn’t have standing to request the document. Other state courts in Ohio and Washington state have similarly refused to force release of the document.
The US Constitution provides no specific guidance for verifying status as being “natural born.”

[DMZFrank]

Watch all 3 2004 senatorial debates. They are archived on the web. He mopped the floor with the “one.” The MSM didn’t care, didn’t notice and covered for zero.

[luvadavi]

Exactly right. First and foremost, that is the strongest position they will present—IMO.

[1_Rain_Drop]

If SCOTUS refuses to take the case, then that would make a Birth Certificate a useless piece of paper for all of us.

I thought it was an important document. I was wrong.
Charm and good looks carries more weight.

[Lexinom]

Why are we even discussion FactCheck as though it were a disinterested third party? Dismiss any "facts" from that source out-of-hand from this discussion. (Jamese, I assume you as an intelligent person know the meaning of "conflict of interest", and are aware of the Annenberg-FactCheck/Annenberg-Obama connections.)

Now that we've mopped that up, let's examine the following:

The US Constitution provides no specific guidance for verifying status as being “natural born.”

That's precisely the function of the judiciary. There is no possible way the framers could have seen every possible event and contingency in advance - no one can. We have an established means of verifying birth, there is doubtless plenty of precedent to be found in common law, and we do have a very clear constitutional requirement of "natural born citizen" applied to the very office in question.

The courts need to do their job, without regard to political or other external, non-legal considerations.

[BILL_C]

20th amendment, section 3

Congress determines eligibility. If President not eligible, them VP is President.....

Democrats? They’ll try to ignore Constitution but Supreme Court may rule, where’s the Birth Certificate?

[ScottSS]

Since the Director of the Hawaii state Department of Health and the Registrar of Vital Statistics have gone on the public record verifying the legitimacy of Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth, ...........

I do not think this is the case. They have verified a document exists , but no one has provided any information about what it says. It was possible in Hawaii at the time to issue COLB with the place of birth not Hawaii. The Certificate just creates a permanent record of where you were born (could be anywhere) and who your parents are. It does not mean that you are a natural born citizen

[Lexinom]

Ding ding ding ding dinnggggg!

[Calpernia]

>>>Spritzer made a deal???

Actually no, the DOJ statement was charges were dismissed.

>>>There’s much more involved with Jr than there was with Spitzer.

Maybe; but the point you are missing is they are connected. The people that ran the brothels were funneling monies to ACORN affiliates. DOJ dismissed the only publicly named client. A high placed polititician at that.

[freepersup]

bookmark / bump

[seekthetruth]

“Here’s the thing: If SCOTUS decides to take the case, and Obama isn’t natural born, then they’ll have to rule against him. If they didn’t they are the laughing stock of the legal world because it’s so fundamental. It would be a very difficult thing to take this case but it is worthy of their attention. If Obama is declared ineligible, there would be riots and there would be outrage, no doubt. On the other hand, they can refuse to take the case and not have to worry about violent repurcussions. Of course, this shirks their duty to protect the Constitution on the highest level. But this road would be easier for them.”

I just find it hard to believe that Justice Thomas, Justice Alito, and Chief Justice Roberts would spit on our US Constitution and say, “Let’s give Marxism a try!”

[Boardwalk]

Hopefully the judges will do the right thing. Seems like a lot of Americans are willing to give anything but democracy a try.

[hoosiermama]

Precisely! Did you send a letter to each Justice and remind them on the gravity of ignoring this “problem”? WHen I called the clerk office the young woman suggested that a letter got their attention the best.

Here is the address and names :

United States Supreme Court
1 First Street NE Washington DC 20543

The Supreme Court Justices are as follows:

Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts
Supreme Court Justice John Stevens
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia
Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy
Supreme Court Justice David Souter
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsburg
Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer
Supreme Court Justice Samual Alito

[freepersup]

From the WND article:

*snip*

The California action was filed by Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation on behalf of Alan Keyes, the presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, along with Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson, both California electors.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Has anyone seen the court documents that have been filed in this case? The question is to the actual filing date and to the period of time that the State of Ca. has (remaining) to respond to the case, and more specifically, what is the last day of eligibility for the State of Ca. to respond?

From the foxhole; trying to keep the thread alive and topical.

[Boardwalk]

Speaking of dogs, The One is going back on his word now to his kids. Seems they may have heard him say they would get a puppy when the race was over but now he is saying not until we are in the White House, and that was always the deal the kids understood. IF he gets this dog, I am sure it will go packing for this or that reason because Muslims really dislike dogs.

He lies to his kids, and he lies to America.

[freepersup]

Which case are you referring to? The Donofrio case, or the Kreep-Keyes case? The USSC has the Donofrio case. I am unaware of the status of the Kreep-Keyes case in the Ca. court. Just wondering?

[hoosiermama]

Yes! My retired attorney father and I both read and re-read them...If you copy them they are about 18 pages....The link is not on printed page pdf file, but the case no is:

34-200880000096-CUWM-GDS
PETITION FOR WRIT OF MANDATE

Judge Michael Kinny

Try to Google it.

[hoosiermama]

1639 RE: Kreep/Keyes case.