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Judge Says University Can Deny Course Credit to Christian Graduates Taught With Creationism Texts
Fox News ^ | August 13, 2008

Posted on 08/13/2008 9:44:45 AM PDT by Sopater

A federal judge has ruled the University of California can deny course credit to Christian high school graduates who have been taught with textbooks that reject evolution and declare the Bible infallible, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

U.S. District Judge James Otero of Los Angeles ruled Friday that the school's review committees did not discriminate against Christians because of religious viewpoints when it denied credit to those taught with certain religious textbooks, but instead made a legitimate claim that the texts failed to teach critical thinking and omitted important science and history topics.

Charles Robinson, the university's vice president for legal affairs, told the Chronicle that the ruling "confirms that UC may apply the same admissions standards to all students and to all high schools without regard to their religious affiliations."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; US: California
KEYWORDS: academia; atheismandstate; christianschools; confesstothestate; creation; creationism; education; evolution; heresy; highereducation; homeschool; judiciary; publikskoolz; ruling; uc
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To: GourmetDan
You can wish that away into unfalsifiability as much as you like. It doesn't change the fact that people making different decisions based on the same facts shows the supernatural, non-determinant basis of the mind.

Fine. Design an experiment in which there there can be no impact from past or present experience.

781 posted on 08/21/2008 1:40:07 PM PDT by onewhowatches
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To: onewhowatches
"Fine. Design an experiment in which there there can be no impact from past or present experience."

I did. And it works fine. Identical facts will produce different outcomes by people in the experiment showing the supernatural origin of the mind.

You are the one who said that "Experiences differs from person to person and cannot be controlled for" and you will always assert that prior experiences caused the different outcomes. You are the one who asserts that there will always be an impact and that such an experiment cannot be performed. This is why your objection is unfalsifiable.

There's not anything wrong with the experiment. It can be performed and identical facts will produce different decisions as evidence of the supernatural nature of the mind. That much can be documented.

It is your assertion that 'experiences cannot be controlled for' and your assumption that they are the determining factor when making different decisions from the same facts that makes your objection unfalsifiable. It is impossible to defeat an objection that is unfalsifiable. Perhaps that's why you went there.

782 posted on 08/21/2008 4:06:22 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
I did. And it works fine. Identical facts will produce different outcomes by people in the experiment showing the supernatural origin of the mind.

So what's the experiment?

783 posted on 08/21/2008 6:01:32 PM PDT by onewhowatches
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To: MrB
I also believe that the harmful variations, the harmful replication errors, mutations, even death itself, are a consequence of the Fall.

How could a perfect God create an imperfect human?

784 posted on 08/22/2008 12:30:53 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: MrB
Here, argue with this guy:

Why? He agrees that creationism should be kept out of science! I assume that since you posted a link to him that you agree with this position.

"you incorrectly state that I have called for the "inclusion of creationism in Polish biology curricula"

785 posted on 08/22/2008 12:40:19 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: MrB
The pope’s no more infallible than the next sinner.

It is amazing that you consider the only ones next to perfection are the creators of the creationist websites!

786 posted on 08/22/2008 12:42:50 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
How could a perfect God create an imperfect human?

He didn't.

a consequence of the Fall

It was right there in what you quoted from my post.

787 posted on 08/22/2008 12:42:58 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB
a consequence of the Fall

It was right there in what you quoted from my post.

I ask again, why would a perfect God create humans that would "Fall".

788 posted on 08/22/2008 12:45:34 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

OH! Well, that’s a different question.
If you’re truly interested in the answer,

and not simply trying to “gotcha” a Christian with a lame question like “can God create something He can’t move”,

there are several sources available that are much better than some anonymous guy on a political board.

I’ll take your question in good faith, regardless of how it was intended.
The topic you’re looking for is “free will”.

CS Lewis (Mere Christianity) explains it this way - those creations that are capable of great achievement are also capable of great evil. If we were automotons incapable of choosing wrong, we would have little capacity to achieve great things. Short answer, given in good faith. If you want more detail, go to Mere Christianity.

If you’re just looking for a fight, don’t bother.


789 posted on 08/22/2008 12:53:48 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB
those creations that are capable of great achievement are also capable of great evil.

Since God knew what these creations would achieve (both good and evil), he knew that he was creating certain beings to be evil.

790 posted on 08/22/2008 1:07:12 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GourmetDan
"As is the fact that the Earth circles the Sun by means of gravitational attraction. You accept neither."

And I used to accept both until I started looking for the scientific evidence to support them and found none.

Do you also believe the earth to be flat?

791 posted on 08/22/2008 1:16:32 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

Do you also believe that dead animals spontaneously generate maggots and that trash dumps spontaneously generate rats?


792 posted on 08/24/2008 6:22:38 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: toneythetiger
There are at least 2,000,000 (two million) distinct species of animals in the world, and maybe as many as 5,000,000 (five million) or more – at least 1.8 million have been named.

Considering that many species have gone extinct, that would have made for one heck of an ark!

793 posted on 08/18/2009 5:39:03 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: toneythetiger
What “evidence” is there that life began with a single cell organism ?

A little more than there is that life came from dust?

794 posted on 08/18/2009 5:42:53 AM PDT by ColdWater
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