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Heated Debate Over WhoPlanted First Sunflower
New Scientist ^ | 4-28-2008 | Colin Barras

Posted on 04/28/2008 7:21:53 PM PDT by blam

Heated debate over who planted first sunflower

22:00 28 April 2008
NewScientist.com news service
Colin Barras

Could raking over the ashes of past civilisations help tackle the current food crisis? David Lentz at the University of Cincinnati, Ohio, thinks so.

Genetic information from wild strains of domestic crops could help to improve crop yield, he says, making it important to identify the point of domestication.

That makes his controversial theory that the sunflower was domesticated in Mexico at least 4000 years ago more than just a matter of ancient history.

"If we are to improve the sunflower crop, we need to look at its full genetic base," Lentz says. "But conventional wisdom is that sunflowers were cultivated in eastern North America, and so Mexico has been ignored."

Although the crop is now present in Mexico, the traditional view is that the Spanish Conquistadors introduced it to the area from the north in the 16th century.

Rare find

Lentz challenged that view in 2001. His team unearthed a 4100-year-old achene, or fruit, at San Andrés in Mexico. Charles Heiser, a world authority on sunflowers, identified the achene as belonging to the domesticated sunflower. This raised the intriguing possibility that the sunflower was first domesticated in Mexico.

But critics argued that the single sunflower achene was no more than an anomaly. "People have been taking pot shots at me for a long time because the San Andrés achene was an isolated find," Lentz says.

Now, his team has dug deeper into Mexican culture to show that the sunflower has an ancient history in the area.

If the sunflower was a foreign introduction by the Spanish, Lentz argues that it should be known by the Spanish name for "sunflower" across Mexico – in much the same way

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; dietandcuisine; domestication; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; huntergatherers; jerusalemartichoke; mexico; seed; sunflower

1 posted on 04/28/2008 7:21:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 04/28/2008 7:22:16 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

God!


3 posted on 04/28/2008 7:23:42 PM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: blam
Apparently, during the 1990s, Obama, um, Usama bin Laden was quite content to try to become the world's premier grower of sunflowers.

He even hired his cohorts from the USSR/Afghanistan days to help.

The Clinton Administration got him booted out of Sudan, and to add injury to insult, the Sundanese gub'mint confiscated his money and agricultural businesses on his way out.

4 posted on 04/28/2008 7:47:38 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: blam

Al Gore.


5 posted on 04/28/2008 7:55:28 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (There's more proof that Operation Chaos is working than there is proof that Global Warming is real.)
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Thanks Blam. Jerusalem Artichokes -- generally sold as "Sunchokes" -- are actually American sunflowers, unrelated to either Jerusalem or artichokes. :') The roots (which are what is sold) are prepared similarly to potato, but are reputedly diabetic safe. The "artichoke" part of the name arose because someone thought the taste was similar to artichoke. Cut up one of those tubers and plant them (inside a grass stop, trust me), and you'll always have as many as you want. :'D

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6 posted on 04/28/2008 9:37:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: blam

I vote it was.... Adam.

Either him or those snappy dressing Neanderthal dudes. Sunflower goes well with duck and mango salsa.


7 posted on 04/28/2008 9:51:33 PM PDT by Pelham (Press 1 for English)
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To: SunkenCiv
... the current food crisis?

Globull warming, having been exposed as nothing but a huge scam, is being replaced by

THE CURRENT FOOD CRISIS!

8 posted on 04/28/2008 10:03:06 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Jerusalem Artichoke

9 posted on 04/28/2008 10:18:50 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: SunkenCiv
plant them (inside a grass stop, trust me)

Girasole!

Jerusalem artichoke, that which I planted once, harvested many times...and was dang nie unable to undo my folly.

Helianthus tuberosus

Despite its name, the Jerusalem artichoke has no relation to Jerusalem, and it is not a type of artichoke, though they are in the same family.

10 posted on 04/28/2008 10:43:24 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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Thanks! Yeah, there’s no food shortage, really. Plant those things on the edge of a wasteland, and pretty soon...


11 posted on 04/28/2008 10:52:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

I found out the hard way that tilling them under is NOT an effective means of doing them in. Starfish have nothing on these dudes.

Between them & cheyote, and jicama, one can eat an unsatisfyingly bland diet that will more or less maintain life as we know it.

Due to my ethnicity, I prefere onions, garlic, potatoes, and meat. Lots of all of them together is best.


12 posted on 04/28/2008 11:16:58 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: blam

“identify the point of domestication.”

Maybe there is no single point of origin.

“Genetic Analysis of Sunflower Domestication-... Moreover, two recent molecular studies suggest the possibility of multiple origins (S. TANG and S. J. KNAPP, unpublished data; A. V. HARTER and L. H. RIESEBERG, unpublished data).”

I wonder why they have the idea the Spanish introduced it.


13 posted on 04/29/2008 4:27:59 AM PDT by Varda (Let's Go Pens!)
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To: Red Badger
Ancient sunflower fuels debate about agriculture in the Americas
14 posted on 04/29/2008 7:23:21 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

Dang!.........


15 posted on 04/29/2008 7:28:05 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: G Larry

You are correct.


16 posted on 04/29/2008 7:31:00 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I always rely on God and Guns in that order)
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To: blam

Good grief, what a stupid argument! Just plant the dang things where they grow well, and no one will care where exactly the plant was first domesticated!


17 posted on 04/29/2008 11:23:27 AM PDT by SuziQ
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