"Be ye therefore 'perfected'"
Posted on 10/12/2007 3:26:26 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew
I've seen a significant amount of support on this board for Ann Coulter's recent comments on CNBC. Let me explain why that support is misplaced:
First, as an initial matter, I don't think Coulter's comments about Jews needing to be "perfected" are offensive at all. As an observant Jew, I obviously don't agree with Coulter. But Coulter's remarks here clearly represent standard Christian belief, and it's wrong and intolerant to condemn someone for her basic religious beliefs (provided, of course, that those beliefs don't cause one to do things like blow up Israeli school children or crash airplanes into buildings).
That being said, Coulter said more than standard Christian dogma. In explaining why the 2004 GOP convention was "like heaven," Coulter said "People were happy. They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America." That's flatly wrong and blatantly offensive -- attendees at the GOP convention included Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, agnostics and adherents of several other faiths. In defining the Republican Convention (and, tacitly) the Republican Party as Christian-only, Coulter has done a tremendous disservice to Republicans and conservatives in general. The fact of the matter is that you don't have to be Christian to believe in things like small government, strong national security, legal fidelity to the constitution, and basic moral values. No one here should defend attempts to define conservatism or the Republican Party as limited to believing Christians. . .
As an aside, please don't let this thread be dominated with replies trying to "convince" me that Christianity is right. Suffice it to say that I have heard and rejected every single one of those arguments. But, as is the nature of being a 1% minority, I -- like most Jews -- get missionized quite frequently, which we find very irritating. Kind of like door-to-door salesmen who keep showing up a few times a week and don't always take a polite "no" for an answer.
Who did that? Could you post a link to a source please?
“I’m shocked at some of the replies on this thread.”
Indeed. So sad.
Yeah, talking about your religion should be Verboten!! Don’t want to offend anyone, just like the old Soviet Union.
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Think about this.....Ann Coulter supports Israel MORE than quite a number of so called “Jews.”
How do her supporters differ from the "moderate Muslims" who keep their mouths shut while their radical Islamic brothers commit jihad against Jews and anyone non-Islamic? Again, not very much. Except that, in this case, some of her Christian supporters aren't even keeping silent; they are openly supporting her comments, saying they agree with her.
I thought Christians were supposed to be the Jews' best friend. And yet, here they are, turning on them. This whole thing is disgusting. Christians should be ashamed to support her stupid comments.
“She would like the Jews to disappear in the same way that the Muslims would.
Seriously dude...
The only statement he did have a problem with was Ann characterizing the GOP convention as “Christian”. Although I think his anger over that statement is a little over the top (it was probably 95% Christian so for someone to characterize it that way may be understandable) I think anyone who is a non-Christian could be a little put off by it because it looks like they are invisible or that they and their own efforts don’t matter.
It was a joke.
People who come from demographic groups that are overwhelmingly liberal or democrat (Jews, Blacks, University students, etc.) put up with a lot of crap from “their own” or from those in their environments for being conservative. Some have to hide it. The least we can do is try to remember they are part of our group and throw them a bone once in a while.
MY REVISION: People who come from demographic groups that are overwhelmingly CHRISTIAN put up with a lot of crap from “their own” or from those in their environments for being conservative. AMOST ALL THINK THAT THEY have to hide it. The least we can do is try to GIVE THEM HOPE BY SUPPORTING SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HIDE HER VIEWS AND DOESN'T PUT UP WITH CRAP.
I don’t agree that Ann should be condemned for this but a gentle reminder that the GOP, though primarily Christian, is not entirely Christian and acknowledging so in public could go a long way in helping our esprit d'corps.
You should be pleased with the responses of the many non-Christians on this thread supporting Ann. I presume that you were not "shocked" by their comments.
Thank you for expanding upon your views.
"Be ye therefore 'perfected'"
I can’t tell if you agree with me or not.
Are you defending the Godless, soulless RINOs who embarrass our party with nothing but money?
As a Christian and after listening to her in context; I have no problem with her statements. To be ‘perfected’ is a common expression in theology because ALL have fallen short ALL have sinned, BUT through Christ Jesus, we are PERFECTED in God’s sight. Simple enough if you ask me -my 2cents anyway
That’s utterly bizarre.
Why not practice a little religious “charity” and give some one a break. She is doing her job when she talks like that. For crying out loud it is about freaking time people just let people be instead of each trying to make everyone else like themselves.
If all people were the same we would only need one.
Are the pics posted?
“Theologically, I agree with her. Politically, it was stupid.”
Reading the transcript, Deutsch pressed her to describe her dream, her ideal America. She then went to the Republican convention in NY, and called it Christian, since obviously, the majority of Republicans are Christian. That was not a slam at Jews, Mr. C.H., just a statistic fact.
Deutsch, pressing for controversy, asked her if she thought the US would be better if everyone were Christian. As a Christian she said yes.
That was a pure religious answer, not a political one. She was not making a political point. She was giving a genuine, sincere answer.
I can honestly believe you name.
You should read the other one about Ann. Phew. This one’s mild.
(so I can't say "Welcome to FR!" ;-)
I didn't happen to see Ann Coulter's remarks -- could you point me to a clip, so I can think it over for myself before responding either way?
Cheers!
Details?
If she *is* a professing Christian I hope she wouldn't be openly engaging in premarital sex.
And if she is, why isn't the lefty press excoriating her for the hypocrisy?
Cheers!
My dear hubby doesn’t like her at all and I do, and I hold the remote (LOL).
Go back to post 116 and read ONLY what Ann said.
Cheers!
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