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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: EternalVigilance
... You fit in here as well as a skunk at a garden party.

Right now you could be right. This is becoming the antithesis of a place of liberty and freedom, a place where we can fight government corruption. We've been completely neutralized by phony con-men like you.

5,201 posted on 04/23/2007 1:38:26 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt

That is so true.


5,202 posted on 04/23/2007 1:39:15 PM PDT by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: scratcher
I hope we don’t let that happen. Electing Hillary any liberal especially one who wants to put open homosexuals in the armed services would be a severe blow to our military.

Fixed it for you.

Semper Fidelis

5,203 posted on 04/23/2007 1:39:47 PM PDT by MrEdd (Dogs think they're human, Cats think they're Gods.)
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To: rbmillerjr

I do agree with you on that. I was just trying to make a point. I am so sick of libs framing every debate and Republicans who absolutely refuse to fight for ANYTHING. It’s frustrating and frightening. That’s why when someone who appears to have a set of balls come forward, we get a bit excited.

I went to see the movie THE HOAX yesterday, and wouldn’t you know there was a huge anti-Republican message. You can’t put on the TV or pick up a magazine without nasty, exaggerated and, at times, untrue claims against Republicans out in full view and nobody refutes them.


5,204 posted on 04/23/2007 1:40:49 PM PDT by Hildy ("man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie: man's grasp exceeds his nerve.)
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To: Jim Robinson

You mean I did all that typing for noting?

LOL!


5,205 posted on 04/23/2007 1:40:52 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Jim Robinson

Dibs on B-Bones bandwidth!!!


5,206 posted on 04/23/2007 1:42:05 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: 68 grunt
Right now you could be right. This is becoming the antithesis of a place of liberty and freedom, a place where we can fight government corruption. We've been completely neutralized by phony con-men like you.

How long did you think conservative-hating disruptors like you could last, anyway?

5,207 posted on 04/23/2007 1:42:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness)
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To: fatima

“Really,you don’t think it because people get emotional.”

Doesn’t matter. Whether emotional or not, the stickbomb exit says “Hey, look at me, my opinions are worth more than the owner’s/moderators’. Everyone who likes me ought to follow me away from here.”

Please don’t read my comments about trolls/moles as some sort of trenchcoat-and-KGB mystery novel. I don’t believe in the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy - they’re too loopy for that. :)


5,208 posted on 04/23/2007 1:43:05 PM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: wagglebee
Actually, the DUmmies have more integrety than the disgruntled FRiberals. When the DUmmies want to trash us, they do it on an open forum, they are not hiding on some secret thread that only INVITED members can access.

I still can't believe they're actually doing that. What a bunch of gutless weasels.

5,209 posted on 04/23/2007 1:43:58 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: politicalwit

You know. Right after I posted my comment to Jim Rob, I thought, just maybe, that was not in ‘good taste’.

Whatcha think?


5,210 posted on 04/23/2007 1:44:10 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Registered; 68 grunt
That is so true.

If y'all have such a low opinion of Free Republic, why don't you just be men and leave with some dignity?

5,211 posted on 04/23/2007 1:44:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness)
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To: MrEdd

Good fix!!!


5,212 posted on 04/23/2007 1:44:40 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DIVIDE it!)
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To: Bigh4u2
You mean I did all that typing for noting?

Yes, and it's been duly noted. : )

5,213 posted on 04/23/2007 1:44:42 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: ex-snook; politicalwit
Some posters don't give a crap about Giulani's record or conservatism. I think they want him because they think he is most likely to bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.

This is a bit of a diversion from the ongoing carnage, but one of the ironies of the constant arguments over 'who will best fight the WOT' is that I don't recall seeing anyone consider that it might turn out to be Hillary. /grin

Hillary's goal is power, and while I don't doubt she would not hesitate to appease the Islamofascists in order to undermine her opponents long enough to gain that power, once she was in office the whole equation changes because she could never guarantee that the Islamists would abandon THEIR worldwide quest for power.

At that point, any terrorist attacks which occurred would be on HER watch, not Bush's, and although she might be able to buy a little time by blaming the deaths on Bush, that excuse would quickly wear thin.

Whether or not she really cared if her fellow American citizens were being killed (she doesn't), she would be forced to act in order to avoid losing her own power. Once she made that cold calculation, I believe she would respond far more ruthlessly than any Republican leader ever would or could.

She wouldn't hesitate to use devastating force, to level any future 'Fallujahs', or to take out any rogue nation like Syria or Iran, whether they were actually involved or merely a convenient scapegoat. The lives of the people of these countries would mean nothing to her and she would obliterate them if she calculated that would protect or enhance her power. She'd even arrest her own lunatic anti-war former supporters who were too stupid to realize that the game had changed and that, in the words of Ron Silver, "these are our planes" again.

Best of all, while she was visiting death and destruction around the globe like some modern incarnation of Kali, she would have the full support of the mainstream media and the global leftist movement, who would be touting her as the 21st Century "Saviour of her Country".

Think this sounds far-fetched? Perhaps it is, but perhaps it might also be "the Plan". These people may be evil, but they're not stupid. At their highest levels they know that the Islamist threat must be dealt with, and they may fully intend to do that, once they've assured that they'll get the credit for it.

And, in case any wannabe jihadis are monitoring this thread: "Be careful what you wish for!" /grin

5,214 posted on 04/23/2007 1:45:15 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat (I love dialoging. It's a great way to pick up chicks! (*obscure cinema refence - all rights reserved)
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To: processing please hold

Nooo, no intervention!! I wouldnt know what to do without my computer!! Id probally stand around lost, for days, or longer LOL!


5,215 posted on 04/23/2007 1:45:26 PM PDT by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: EternalVigilance

People have often suggested you seek help. Have you? No, because you get all the help you need from other DU trolls.


5,216 posted on 04/23/2007 1:45:31 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: jla
The religious right is a strawman created by the media and the Democrats. Christians have some influence in the party, but we aren’t monolithic. People who have no faith or who wish to support or engage in libertine practices are often very afraid of us. I said to another person on this thread, they are shooting at rabbits in their front yard, while the wolves that would devour them come in through the unguarded back door.

Jewish people for some reason, have this overwhelming fear of Christians. Christians are the strongest supporters of Israel and the Jewish people. Quite often the belief in government as a protector from persecution prevents some Jews from seeking out Christians as their natural allies. It's a real shame.

5,217 posted on 04/23/2007 1:45:41 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: BykrBayb

Sure. The ONE word I misspelled, and you had to catch it!

:0)


5,218 posted on 04/23/2007 1:45:55 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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Rudy Giuliani:

Pro-choice; no ban on partial-birth abortions. (Dec 1999)

Opposed Pres. Bush’s ban on gay marriage. (Jan 2007)
Pro gay rights. (Jul 2006)
Extended all city benefits to same-sex couples. (May 1998)

All gun owners should pass written test. (Mar 2000)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Rudy_Giuliani.htm#Abortion


5,219 posted on 04/23/2007 1:46:08 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: EternalVigilance
If y'all have such a low opinion of Free Republic, why don't you just be men and leave with some dignity?

Dignity? Like you know ANYTHING about dignity! ROFLOL!!!
5,220 posted on 04/23/2007 1:46:31 PM PDT by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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