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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: calcowgirl; La Enchiladita

“BTW... did you think about selling your summary as Cliff Notes? ;-)”

“Left Wing Liberal Zots For Dummies

ROTFLMBO!!


3,901 posted on 04/22/2007 8:52:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
He’s against open borders.

And as far as him being less the extraordinary on 9/11 your disingenuous.

That means your lying on purpose.

3,902 posted on 04/22/2007 8:52:47 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: EternalVigilance

The Father of CFR?? Then why isn’t his name on the bill? I oppose the bill, too, and I consider it a rare lapse of judgement in Thompson’s otherwise excellent record — but you’re still overstating the case.

Fred was even responsible for one of the only positive things in McCain-Feingold — he successfully fought McCain and most democrats for an amendment to substantially raise the individual hard money limits and index the limits to inflation. Here is the link to the votes where McCain and friends tried unsuccessfully to table/kill Thompson’s amendment:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00053


3,903 posted on 04/22/2007 8:53:04 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: cicero's_son

“I want a Republican in the White House.”

I’m a Republican and they can kiss my sweet patooty pie. I want a conservative in the White House. This is a conservative website, not a GOP site.

Giuliani is not a conservative, Period.


3,904 posted on 04/22/2007 8:53:07 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Add:
stuned_beeber

He was a newbie who seemed to know his way around a little too well, maybe a retread. But he looked on target...


3,905 posted on 04/22/2007 8:53:07 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Politicalmom

He’ll visit you there on Sundays...


3,906 posted on 04/22/2007 8:53:23 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("We're Living In A Twilight World..."- Swingout Sister)
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To: trussell
My 9 kicks harder than the .44 which kicks harder than the .45

Next time I go see my brother I'll give his a try. For some reason the 9mm never appealed to me. Maybe I should try it before I discount it, huh.

It’s also the one that has the bad habit of “biting” those who shoot it if they forget to keep their left thumb positioned correctly.

OUCH! lol

3,907 posted on 04/22/2007 8:53:38 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

I am fairly inclined to think that it will be made clear to Rudy that if he ever hopes to get the nomination, he has to tow the line on certain conservative principles like second amendment rights and abortion.

Rudy’s position and statements in large part reflect that he was mayor of one of the largest, most diverse, and liberal cities in the country.

Time will tell.


3,908 posted on 04/22/2007 8:53:41 PM PDT by djf (Free men own guns, slaves do not!)
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To: Jemian

: )


3,909 posted on 04/22/2007 8:53:49 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: JCEccles; CharlesWayneCT

It’s more than once for Luis Gonzales, too.


3,910 posted on 04/22/2007 8:54:27 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
In the meantime Romney is another guy a lot of people don’t like but he at least sounds better on CFR.

Sorry, but before McCain/Feingold even passed, Romney was advocating measures that not only included its elements, but that were even more radically anti-Bill of Rights.

3,911 posted on 04/22/2007 8:54:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

I notice you are too cowardly to apologize for the mistake you made earlier, which you then compounded by cursing at me.


3,912 posted on 04/22/2007 8:54:31 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist “Republican” with no opposition.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
Now I know you have to be a sleeper yourself. As bad as McCain and Giuliani are, there's no way on Earth they could ever be as bad as The Wicked Witch of the West Wing.

Uh uh, wise up Daddio. Ask Jim Robinson what he thinks about John McCain in the White House, the guy who gave us CFR, the guy who calls John F'in Kerry (one of YOUR favorite guys, eh? *NOT*) "my dear friend". Giuliani? Give me a freakin' break. There is NO difference between the majority of Giuliani's positions and the positions of the 'Rat Party. Consult freeper Spiff's handy comparison chart if you haven't already seen it.

Junior, there's bad, and there's evil. If you can't figure out the difference, go back to DU...

I can't go back to where I never was Pops, so don't even try that lame tactic with me. There is bad, and there is evil, that is true. And they work together cooperatively to destroy that which is good.

If you can't figure THAT out, you need to go have a nap and come back when there are 10,000 posts in this thread and take a long around, eh?
3,913 posted on 04/22/2007 8:54:47 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: metmom
And gloating that 70% of the women obtaining abortions are *Christian* doesn't help your credibility.

Probably 85-90% of Americans would identify their religion as Christian if asked. I doubt that more than 15-20% of all Americans are actually born again Christians. I'm sure some real Christian women have aborted their babies, but that certainly isn't the norm.

I can't vote for any candidate who will support abortion on demand, and Rudy not only supports it he wants taxpayers to pay for abortions for poor women. Forcing anti-abortion Americans to pay hired killers, i.e., abortion doctors, to kill unborn babies is so obscene that I wouldn't expect even ordinary Democrats to support such an outrage.

BTW, if any of you don't believe that Rudy advocates taxpayer funded abortions just click on the link in # 3106 and hear him tell Russert that he does.

3,914 posted on 04/22/2007 8:54:55 PM PDT by epow
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To: Iwo Jima

Yeah, and who are you again?


3,915 posted on 04/22/2007 8:56:05 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: rbmillerjr; stephenjohnbanker; fanfan; Knitting A Conundrum; Kevmo; rockrr; ...

I’m thinking a good musical accompaniment to this thread would be Ravel’s “Bolero.” Might as well make it a multi-media experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRFSvQ4-bLM

Try it... you’ll like it!


3,916 posted on 04/22/2007 8:56:11 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Thank you EV. I am always flattered and embarrased when the religious have some concern for my soul. I really don’t deserve that, but I take it in all modesty. The metaphysical is well - complicated. A lot of things are complicated, and the older I get, the more I find is complicated. I will die knowing that I don’t know much really, I suspect.


3,917 posted on 04/22/2007 8:56:25 PM PDT by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: metmom

SOMEBODY put me out of my misery and tell me when/where LG got zotted, pleeeeeeese!!! :)


3,918 posted on 04/22/2007 8:56:28 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist “Republican” with no opposition.)
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To: Hildy

“If Hillary wins, I will leave the country, and that’s not a threat. I can and I will.”

Promise? I might just vote for Hillary now.


3,919 posted on 04/22/2007 8:56:45 PM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Escourt-just you help them to get in that door Rudy.


3,920 posted on 04/22/2007 8:56:48 PM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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