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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Kevmo

I saw someone bought it. All his posts were deleted but it didn’t take too long to figure out what happened. What was it? Retread or troll?


17,961 posted on 05/02/2007 12:54:23 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I notice you are always having trouble staying caught up too, metmom. I posted earlier, and when I came back, I was over 1,000 posts behind. The thread was moving so fast, I was having trouble staying caught up. Finally, after mass reading, I am caught up again. It seems many of the liberals are gone, but there are still a few bugs flying around the zapper on occasion, but they haven’t gotten zapped. There has been such a good group on here working to cleaning things up, and I believe FR will be stronger for it and is already. When this thread is over, I plan to move on and work for Hunter and make durn sure that RudyJudy doesn’t get the nod.


17,962 posted on 05/02/2007 1:01:25 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Hunter/Thompson)
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To: metmom; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
But boy I sure would love to see the federal government go under the surgeon’s knife and get rid welfare, the Dept of education, and the IRS.

LOLOL!!!! Just for starters!

One thing that perplexes me is secularists (e.g., Libertarians, et al.) say that you don't need God in order to have a moral base. Considering the universality of the moral law, I wonder what "secular" (finite, contingent, man-made) thing can serve as the basis for moral law.

I'd be willing to entertain all proposals!!!

17,963 posted on 05/02/2007 1:24:46 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: metmom

Probably a troll. All of Hairy Plodder’s posts were deleted. If it were a retread, there would most likely still be some posts of his to read.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?name=hairy+plodder


17,964 posted on 05/02/2007 1:31:37 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: betty boop
It seems that most atheists I've run into like to take the high moral ground and tend to brag that they're as good, or even better, than most religious people. But they do have no basis for morality.

Right now they are riding the tide of the Judeo-Christian morality that this country was founded on. As that is eroding, we are starting to see the consequences of the moral relativism that is replacing it.

I trust you have read The Peace Child? They had their own morality but if they had ever gone beyond the stone age, they would have self-destructed.

17,965 posted on 05/02/2007 1:36:06 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Kevmo

It seems to depend on how many posts they’ve posted. If they’re less than a page or all on one thread, then it seems that they get nuked.

*Hairy Plodder* LOL. Every time I read that I can’t help but think it’s an evo retread.


17,966 posted on 05/02/2007 1:40:39 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: betty boop
[.. Considering the universality of the moral law, I wonder what "secular" (finite, contingent, man-made) thing can serve as the basis for moral law. ..]

Since government and religion both enforce moral law.. and are two sides of the same coin.. MORALITY MATTERS..

However God does not advocate morality but re-birth..
Not forced legality but regeneration of choice..

To be a little more clear to secular humans..
God puts men in his evolution machine and changes man from primate into another creature..
WHAT A MACHINE.. this is.. An oven that can bake out holyness.. from sinfulness..

Is God COOL or WHAT?..

17,967 posted on 05/02/2007 1:43:07 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: All

Pretty quiet in here. Good. We can enjoy some of the other threads for a change.


17,968 posted on 05/02/2007 1:59:52 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("...to arms...")
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To: DCPatriot
If you truly studied American History, you’d know the source of WideAwakes.

They were the political shock troops of a new third party, the Republican Party, and were forcefully confronting the central moral question of their day. They facilitated the costly correction of the one glaring failure of the founding generation.

Please, tell us with a straight face that the folks at that other site resemble that. Honestly.

17,969 posted on 05/02/2007 2:07:29 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: rbmillerjr; All
>We can enjoy some of the other threads for a change

Cool. Hey, stop over
at the "Tired Of 'I'd Hit It'"
thread. We're trying to

get to five hundred.
Chances are you'll see something
worth a post about . . .

17,970 posted on 05/02/2007 2:38:03 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Kevmo

According to Google ‘cache’, he’s been around since at least November of last year. Post #15

http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:Hi7enIc8vnIJ:www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1740710/posts+hairy+plodder&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=12&gl=us


17,971 posted on 05/02/2007 2:59:46 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: hosepipe; betty boop

The thing is, moral law is needed for a well ordered safe society. Morality doesn’t get you the rebirth but is the natural outcome of it. But for those who never experience it, there has to be some check to protect people and society.

Given the choice, I’d rather have the Judeo-Christian morality enforced by a moral government, like we had for at least a couple hundred years, than moral relativism. That will only result in anarchy, as everyone does what’s right in his own eyes. That’s what I fear the libertarian movement will lead.


17,972 posted on 05/02/2007 3:03:14 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Kevmo; metmom

hairy plodder
Since Sep 23, 2006

(Not anymore) :0)


17,973 posted on 05/02/2007 3:03:24 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: mkjessup

Dark Lords of the Sith tremble before you. lol


17,974 posted on 05/02/2007 3:04:53 PM PDT by afnamvet (It is what it is)
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To: DCPatriot

— If you truly studied American History, you’d know the source of WideAwakes.

Man! This site is scary! Folks can reach right out and see what you’ve studied!

Other folks here can’t even track back on a string of comments.


17,975 posted on 05/02/2007 3:05:37 PM PDT by rbookward (When 900 years old you are, type as well you will not!)
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To: rbookward

:-)


17,976 posted on 05/02/2007 3:17:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: rbookward
#17969
17,977 posted on 05/02/2007 3:18:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Bigh4u2

Sleeper account.


17,978 posted on 05/02/2007 3:26:20 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: EternalVigilance

After looking in on this seemingly defunct thread throughout the day, can I assume that all is quiet on the leftward front?


17,979 posted on 05/02/2007 3:34:17 PM PDT by mutley
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To: metmom

I completely agree with your assesment of moral relativism. I find it very dangerous to society as there can be no morals or order except that which is mandated by law, but in a libertarian society there would be hardly any laws. I shudder to think of it.


17,980 posted on 05/02/2007 3:34:25 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Hunter/Thompson)
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