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But boy I sure would love to see the federal government go under the surgeon’s knife and get rid welfare, the Dept of education, and the IRS.

LOLOL!!!! Just for starters!

One thing that perplexes me is secularists (e.g., Libertarians, et al.) say that you don't need God in order to have a moral base. Considering the universality of the moral law, I wonder what "secular" (finite, contingent, man-made) thing can serve as the basis for moral law.

I'd be willing to entertain all proposals!!!

It seems that most atheists I've run into like to take the high moral ground and tend to brag that they're as good, or even better, than most religious people. But they do have no basis for morality.

Right now they are riding the tide of the Judeo-Christian morality that this country was founded on. As that is eroding, we are starting to see the consequences of the moral relativism that is replacing it.

I trust you have read The Peace Child? They had their own morality but if they had ever gone beyond the stone age, they would have self-destructed.

[.. Considering the universality of the moral law, I wonder what "secular" (finite, contingent, man-made) thing can serve as the basis for moral law. ..]

Since government and religion both enforce moral law.. and are two sides of the same coin.. MORALITY MATTERS..

However God does not advocate morality but re-birth..
Not forced legality but regeneration of choice..

To be a little more clear to secular humans..
God puts men in his evolution machine and changes man from primate into another creature..
WHAT A MACHINE.. this is.. An oven that can bake out holyness.. from sinfulness..

Is God COOL or WHAT?..

Considering the universality of the moral law, I wonder what "secular" (finite, contingent, man-made) thing can serve as the basis for moral law.

Indeed. It seems to me they would have a real problem arguing against equal rights for animals, pedophilia, bestiality, infanticide, etc. - or conversely, in favor of personal responsibility.

>> I'd be willing to entertain all proposals!!!

Secularists may say those things, but not all libertarians are of that persuasion. I am one myself; or more precisely, I began as one and wore the title with pride for years. But of course, I have no truck with the present breed! To me, Christian libertarian is the only political compass, and you can take it straight from Corinthians -- Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Secular libertarians go off the pier in pretending liberty means freedom FROM God.

Seems to me it's always a question of what Authority one recognizes. We have to get our certitudes somewhere and we cannot serve two masters. Politically, the choices are God or the state. Even libertarians (neo variety) will turn to the state if they will not have God. Libertarians of the old school see the state as innately evil. The Lord doesn't think much of it either :-) -- See 1 Samuel 8-18. Institutionally, the state seems bent on breaking all 10 Commandments at once. At the least an airtight case can be made that it supports itself entirely by taking other people's property without their permission -- they call it taxation, anyone else could call it theft. By any name it is wrong and destructive. Such has always been the nature of the state, all states, from the beginning: one class exploiting another. Even Marx got that one right.

The old-school libertarian stood uncompromisingly for the natural rights -- life, liberty, property. I still do. There is no telling what the new ones believe. Once you abandon God, the mind has no place to anchor.