Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
To: Jim Robinson
“the Declaration of Independence proclaims that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, including the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
It was a fraudulent statement at the time and we’re still paying the price for the founder’s failure to include the black man as “all men”.
15,294 posted on 04/29/2007 7:00:51 PM CDT by Rb ver. 2.0
The word "and" separates the two clauses, which means that you're saying that the founding principle of this republic, which JR stated, is fraudulent.
If you want to retract your statement, that's fine. But words mean things.
It’s called The Bill of Rights for a reason. It is not The Bill of Suggestions. It spells out certain rights of The People, not The State.
Lots of folks have either been banned, resigned in protest, or quietly walked away.
If many of your pings were from Howlin, I believe she’s gone so that will cut down on your live pings. Someone else will pick up the slack, I’m sure.
It’ll all settle down. I can’t wait for the primaries to hurry up and get over with so we can concentrate on what’s important - regaining Congress and putting the most conservative person running into the White House.
I don’t care how much people hated other people. What I cared about was the reference to a lesbian relationship. It was inappropriate and futhermore was, indeed vulgar.
If this is to be a social conservative site, perhaps people should consider how their words appear in print, because I can guarantee you that Dr. Dobson’s and Jerry Falwell’s people aren’t going to be signing up in mass for a place that uses such vulgarities. They won’t care to have their names associated with such stuff.
We shall see.
Of course religious freedom should be conserved. But religious freedom inlcudes all relgions. When a narrow subset of one religion starts making laws based on their interpretation of whatever, then it starts to impinge on others religious freedom. The way to alleviate this is to maintain a government based on secular values which do not favor one religion over another. As a religious person, or a non-religious person, you are then free to live your life as you wish as long as you do not violate any laws.
What I do outside of this forum is none of your damn business, and I don't account to, nor do I answer to you. Your demands to 'know' what I (or others) do to advance the cause of conservatism are quite frankly tacky, as tacky as other posters who make demands to 'know' whether or not other Freepers financially contribute to FR
...there isn't anything very funny about hectoring Freepers as to what they 'do' for the cause.
Because it’s an anti-freeper site, not an anti-this-thread site. There were other anti-freeper sites before this thread too. LOL
Jim... I am Pro-God and that was one of the things that attracted me to to this site.
However, I personally find it offensive that you let post like 15,062 stand unchallenged.
This is highly offensive to me as a Christian that one's faith in God is challenged... in such a flip and casual way on this board.
I also find it offensive that one individual is left to cast their verdict of salvation of others on the site.
I know that one could question the intent of the poster, but the same graphic has been thrown around in a similar manner on other threads.
I may be overly sensitive about this issue, but I don't believe that I'm more sensitive than others that have been offended in other areas in the last couple of days.
In so much as it’s intent wasn’t applied by it’s founders(creators, writers) in regard to the exclusion of the black man, then yes it was a fraudulent statement.
Had the black man not been excluded then the statement would be 100% correct at it’s time of origin.
Please feel free to correct my grammar and spelling, I know that empowers you.
Actually, there are quite a few Thompson and Romney supporters there.
LOL, SF is gonna stfu......night mk....;)
Despised? Peach, Nopardons, Howlin? Hardly.
Peach was always so polite to me. She even IM’d me when I was wondering about the etiquette about responding (i.e. I didn’t want to bother people, but I didn’t want them to think I ignored them).
Nopardons was always nice to me, and so was Howlin, though I think one time when I’d had too much wine I got on her bad side about the Kobe Bryant case—I argued for the girl’s side. LOL! But, in the end, she was right, which is amazing. More often than not, she is. I will always respect her—she’s got a great, analytical mind.
Anyway... it makes me sad this place has changed so much.
I just checked in from time to time so my post isn’t worth much.
Well, that's a step back towards sanity.
EV, as you point out, the phrase was so accurate that we spilled the blood of 600,000 Americans validating it. The principle proved more enduring than the hypocrisy but the price was a war that reverberates to this day.
And Rb, as you point out, the Founders had to make a great moral compromise in order to ensure that the Constitution passed, which was to place that principle on hold. It didn't stay so, it was too powerful for that.
Best to you both.
How are you getting that The Bill of Rights is just a Bill of Suggestions, that The States can revoke at will? The People do have rights, whether you like it or not.
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