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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: rbmillerjr
then I will come back as someone else, same PC, ISP and the same everything but: “Yield 2 The Right”.
13,301 posted on 04/28/2007 1:41:32 PM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: Sam Cree
“I’m wondering if those who embrace the first two of your suppostions, but not the third, are still welcome here.”

Yep, they sure are. Only ones that aren’t welcome here are those who dis conservatives while promoting a liberal candidate. If people are here to fight against the stated mission and purpose of FR they have no business being here. Something people tend to forget sometimes is the fact that FR is not a Republican forum--it’s a conservative forum.

13,302 posted on 04/28/2007 1:42:40 PM PDT by dmw (Conservatives DON'T vote for liberals.)
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To: rbmillerjr
"Sometimes when people experience dramatic change and transitionary events, people rationalize it with unsound, uneducated and neurotic thinking."

This is true. :-)
13,303 posted on 04/28/2007 1:42:49 PM PDT by Skywarner (The U.S. Armed Forces... Producers of FREEDOM for over 200 years!!)
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To: yield 2 the right
Naw, but if I were to call JR a %@%$#@%$& !#@&#$%$# Q%$@#%^#@$ I might. But, I didn’t, so I remain.

Most people from what I saw opused out and asked to be banned. JR wants a hard turn right back to the roots of FR and I understand that completely. Matter of fact it energizes me. Conservatives need to stand up and be counted. The left wing of the GOP and pop culture is foisting a liberal upon us, and I as a conservative take umbrage with that.

13,304 posted on 04/28/2007 1:43:23 PM PDT by commonguymd (Move it to the right)
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To: Lady Jag
Will you be the adult for today or are you off this weekend?

I can be on call; but, as I tell my kids, don't bother me unless something is on fire or there is arterial bleeding.

13,305 posted on 04/28/2007 1:43:54 PM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998.)
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To: GodBlessUSA

“We need someone to win. That is why I felt bad for some of those who have been banned. This what motivates many to defend Rudy. They think he has a chance to beat Hilde-beast.”

The thing is he is nearly parallel to the Hildabeast on his positions. They are both liberals. What have you won if you’ve compromised all your principles to do so?

“People fear what will happen with WOT, if a not totally conservative is running, so do they over look certain issues... that may be.”

You basically have to look over all issues and vote solely on the WOT to vote for Guiliani. Even then, what are his real qualifications at fighting terror? He fought crime in NYC, but what has he done to evidence he can fight the global WOT? He recently commented that we could lose in Iraq and still succeed in the WOT. How could that be? He did a good job on 9/11, but did he really do anything that any mayor wouldn’t do as far as clean up and attending funerals? There are other candidates running that have a solid knowledge of the WOT. McCain has been its biggest supporter, not that I’m supporting McCain. Hunter is head of the House Armed Services Committee, and he served himself. I think he would be qualified.

“Personally I think when Rudy Giuliani says he will only nominate Constitutionalists judges, I believe him. He will leave those issues to the states.”

He appointed mostly liberal judges while in NYC. Also, he says that he thinks women should ultimately have the choice for abortion. He says judges could interpret Roe vs. Wade as good or bad, and he claims Ginsberg (ardent pro-abort) is a good judge.

Ultimately, there are better candidates that are conservative on most issues who would be just as qualified to fight the WOT.


13,306 posted on 04/28/2007 1:44:02 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Hunter/Thompson)
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To: Sam Cree
I saw some of them get banned while politely, if forcefully arguing their points in the face of unbelievably rude and sarcastic comments from their opponents, who were not banned.

And you've never seen anything like that ever happen here before, right?

That must be one great set of blinders you've been wearing over the years.

13,307 posted on 04/28/2007 1:44:34 PM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: rbmillerjr

Is that conspiracy stuff for real over there? People think that? lmao.


13,308 posted on 04/28/2007 1:44:36 PM PDT by commonguymd (Move it to the right)
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To: woofie; calcowgirl
You mean the side that called other long time Freepers asswipes?

This particular comment has most assuredly been misinterpreted. I'm quite confident that the reference was to the name that I have heard pronounced as "Ass-wee-pay." I had never heard that name before until a couple of years ago in a Saturday Night Live skit.
13,309 posted on 04/28/2007 1:44:39 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: metmom

bookmark


13,310 posted on 04/28/2007 1:45:16 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: yield 2 the right

“then I will come back as someone else, same PC, ISP and the same everything but: “Yield 2 The Right”.”

Oh, hang around awhile. We need mice for this game.


13,311 posted on 04/28/2007 1:45:51 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: Luke21

A lot of fundamentalist Christians I know are the proverbial “salt of the earth.” Strangely, that even includes some black people who always vote Democrat. But there are other fundamentalist types who see themselves as being the word of God (how can you argue against the word of God), something I usually have trouble swallowing.

I’m not, as I said, religious, but I do recognize that the current nationwide attack on Christianity is really an attack on America.


13,312 posted on 04/28/2007 1:45:55 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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This thread.

What the heck is going on here?

We've lost too many good FReepers just off of this thread.

13,313 posted on 04/28/2007 1:45:59 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Quiet Down Out There!)
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To: Skywarner

Gotcha! Hang in there like I said. This too shall pass. Everyone will unite as a front regardless of the candidate... as long as it is a fairly conservative candidate. :)


13,314 posted on 04/28/2007 1:47:01 PM PDT by commonguymd (Move it to the right)
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To: Sam Cree
The problem with all that is that he also got rid of a lot of long time members. I disagree with you in that I considered them to be good members. I consider it to be a great loss to Freerepublic. I saw some of them get banned while politely, if forcefully arguing their points in the face of unbelievably rude and sarcastic comments from their opponents, who were not banned. I'm appalled at the glee and vindictiveness with which they were cheered on their way. I don't see that as a credit to conservatism.

Apparently, your point is missed by many....but I agree....and no.....I don't support rudy in the least.....

13,315 posted on 04/28/2007 1:47:45 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: michigander
"That must be one great set of blinders you've been wearing over the years."

That could be. I'm feeling a little stunned.

13,316 posted on 04/28/2007 1:47:56 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: Allegra

We didn’t lose them - most of them ran away.


13,317 posted on 04/28/2007 1:48:01 PM PDT by RabidBartender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kerMm0HG1mk)
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To: Reagan Man
Let's agree to disagree. I have no bone to pick with you.

But if I had my choice, I'd rather share a foxhole with her. {{{wink}}}

13,318 posted on 04/28/2007 1:49:09 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; DCPatriot

Now you know I’m too nice to use that while just discussing why I do what I do.

But sometimes, when young fellas post on my news thread and say, “Pull my finger,” then it IS time to get the serious tools out.

;0)


13,319 posted on 04/28/2007 1:49:24 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: DocRock

Thanks, sent you a frmail.


13,320 posted on 04/28/2007 1:49:40 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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