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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: La Enchiladita

Where did Fatima go?


13,241 posted on 04/28/2007 12:47:49 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: ansel12

Oh, gee, now you’re the whining victim, eh?

Hahahaha.


13,242 posted on 04/28/2007 12:48:15 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: patton

She has gone quiet since Wednesday night... See her “User Posts”....:(


13,243 posted on 04/28/2007 12:49:23 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: EternalVigilance; Jim Robinson
Please read my full post. I wasn't asking what Jim Robinson thought was the purpose of this thread. He has made it fairly clear here and on other threads - Rudybots shouldn't attack conservative politicians in their quest to prop up Rudy's socially "conservative" credentials.

I asked what you thought the purpose of this post was.
13,244 posted on 04/28/2007 12:51:02 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: EternalVigilance
"I don’t think this is all about one election, like so many do. I think this is about saving a republic that is slowly but surely being lost to the socialists.

And we won’t save it without powerful, authentic, courageous voices for our cause. How many of those do you know of? List them, and make sure they’re folks who have scars on their bodies from their longterm commitment to the fight."


On these points, we do not disagree.

In the meantime, what do you think Keyes chances are of winning the general election and taking the fight, to completion, to the Islamofascists?
13,245 posted on 04/28/2007 12:51:32 PM PDT by Skywarner (The U.S. Armed Forces... Producers of FREEDOM for over 200 years!!)
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To: DCPatriot

No offense intended. Thanks for clarifying. You’re a decent guy.


13,246 posted on 04/28/2007 12:51:36 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: michigander

“What is happening on this thread is nothing.
That has been going on here for years.”

Since the beginning. If anything this one’s more civil than most.


13,247 posted on 04/28/2007 12:53:10 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: La Enchiladita

The conservatives are comin’ together here,,,I look for
Vitter(R) to jump parties by 07,,,Katrina Mary(D) is toast.
Bobby Jindal is Pro-Life and will be the next Gov.,,,
The libs are on the run...;0)


13,248 posted on 04/28/2007 12:53:29 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: DCPatriot
>>>>>That's preposterous.

Whats outrageous is your obfuscation of Howlins posting history on FR.

Before the 2003 California recall election, I might have agreed with you that Howlin was just being a "tough woman", "opinionated" but not a "bully". OTOH, she was always meanspirited. Believe it or not, there was a time when Howlin and I saw eye to eye on many issues.

That all changed when Arnie Schwarzy entered the 2003 California Recall Eelection. Before Schwarzy decided to run for governor lotsa FReepers seemed to abide by the conservative agenda of Free Republic more often. That all began to change around August 2003 when Schwarzy`s promoters began spreading his liberal RINO politics all over this forum. The short campaign time frame didn't help matters, in everyones rush to judgment about Arnold being some kind of fiscal cosnervative.

In addition, that political event was directly responsible for the significant rise in Rudy Giuliani`s liberal pop culture popularity in the national party politics of the GOP. I'm convinced that election outcome led to the current set of circumstances that exists on FR today, or should I say did exist until JimRob`s recent spring cleaning effort started in earnest. Whereby another liberal Republican, is attempting to undermine the conservative roots of the GOP in an effort to secure its presidential nomination.

Just my opinion. Whether you agree with it or not is not important. I know its true and that is all that matters.

13,249 posted on 04/28/2007 12:54:52 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Skywarner

“what do you think Keyes chances are of winning the general election”

I don’t think Keyes is even in, nor has he talked about being in.


13,250 posted on 04/28/2007 12:55:15 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: ansel12
"The biggest common factor that the banned freepers and the sturdier Rudy promoters still here share, is an intolerance for social conservatives, and the faithful."

I wonder if you have put your finger on the real crux of this thing. Is that what is going on here, is support for Giuliani being used as a lever to rid FR of those who aren't social conservatives? To make this a primarily "social conservative" site? To make a declaration that it isn't conservatism if it isn't social conservatism?

13,251 posted on 04/28/2007 12:56:25 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

I must talk to my Shreve friend who is in one of those Republican Women clubs....

Things are looking up over yonder. On that note, I’m out and will be back tonight....:)


13,252 posted on 04/28/2007 12:56:39 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: Luke21; Knitting A Conundrum
Thanks Luke.

I just don't want the Religious Right DRIVING AND STEERING 'the bus'...as KAC described it. LOL!

And KAC, you KNOW I'm a big fan.

I'm not looking for you to support a Pro-Choice candidate. I want you to prostitute yourself just enough to ensure a GOP victory in 2008. ;^)

13,253 posted on 04/28/2007 12:57:56 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: La Enchiladita

C U Later...;0)


13,254 posted on 04/28/2007 12:58:39 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: EternalVigilance

Back when Howard Kaloogian was trying to get Gray Davis impeached in California, Alan Keyes set up a knockoff web site called, IIRC, "Impeach Gray Davis Now." He then solicited contributions in the name of aiding the impeachment effort.

Tell me, if you're so smart, how much of the money Keyes collected via that web site went to aiding the impeachment effort, and how much vanished into one or another arm of the Alan Keyes organization?

For extra credit, if the answer is that none of the money went to aid the impeachment effort, wouldn't it be fair to characterize the building of a knockoff web site to bamboozle contributors an early instance of the Internet fraud we now call "phishing"?


13,255 posted on 04/28/2007 12:58:45 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: Skywarner
In the meantime, what do you think Keyes chances are of winning the general election and taking the fight, to completion, to the Islamofascists?

I think it is far past time for conservatives to stop listening to the voices of those who are making wholly subjective claims about electibility, and to start at the beginning and choose leaders based on who would do the best job of restoring and defending our republic. Then do what it takes to convince the American people and win. Unlike many, even here, I believe that the conservative message, properly presented, is a winning message. Go take a look at the Reagan electoral map.

I've made it clear on my homepage who I think is the most qualified to the task.

One of the reasons that Republicans are losing is that they are not leading, primarily because most of our "leaders" do not have the courage of their claimed convictions. They're a bunch of wimpy cowards, at best.

And it isn't currently getting any better. Most of what I'm hearing out of this entire presidential cast of characters is pure dreck. Blah.

13,256 posted on 04/28/2007 12:59:10 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: La Enchiladita; WorkerbeeCitizen

I’m pleased you like it. Enjoy!


13,257 posted on 04/28/2007 12:59:10 PM PDT by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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To: Sam Cree

“is support for Giuliani being used as a lever to rid FR of those who aren’t social conservatives? To make this a primarily “social conservative” site? “

No
No

I’m a fiscal conservative. I’m a political conservative.
I’m a social conservative.


13,258 posted on 04/28/2007 12:59:45 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: Lady Jag

You’s a honey....:)


13,259 posted on 04/28/2007 12:59:51 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: Skywarner

You sure love your hypothetical non sequiturs. Some people call them position traps.


13,260 posted on 04/28/2007 1:00:25 PM PDT by commonguymd (Move it to the right)
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