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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Skywarner

“If Thompson or Hunter don’t win the primary, and Giuliani does, then what happens? Does FR go third party (Keyes) and in turn give the presidency to the Dems?”

FR is not monolithic. Some will sit it out, some will go third party, some will even suck it up and Vote for Giuliani (and them probably come home and take gastrointestinal cleansers and a good shower and watch the returns coming in that give the Dems a Triple.


13,181 posted on 04/28/2007 12:11:08 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: ansel12

Sorry, you seemed to have missed the point. No matter. :)


13,182 posted on 04/28/2007 12:11:21 PM PDT by GodBlessUSA (US Troops, Past, Present and Future, God Bless You and Thank You!. It Prayers said for our Heroes!)
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To: Sam Cree
To whatever extent Alan Keyes is "not respected here," most of that was to a great degree caused by a number of the now-dearly-departed. If you look at the member list of the new anti-FReeper site, a good number of their members consist of those who made a career out of trashing Keyes threads on Free Republic over a very long period of time. Years.

None of this is a coincidence, or without connection. They truly do despise conservatives and conservatism, and that is an objective fact. The "foot on the neck" comments of February 2 were just one of the final clear expressions of it.

No real conservative could possibly listen to Dr. Keyes in speeches like the one below and not only "respect" Alan but greatly admire him. There is not another American I know who communicates what I believe with more power or passion.

No choice for silence

13,183 posted on 04/28/2007 12:12:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: DCPatriot

She may have very well left on her own. Rumor has it that she is admin at an antifreeper site. Just rumors though.


13,184 posted on 04/28/2007 12:13:29 PM PDT by commonguymd (Move it to the right)
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To: DCPatriot

No problem.


13,185 posted on 04/28/2007 12:13:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: rockrr

You are on the right track.


13,186 posted on 04/28/2007 12:14:20 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: sissyjane

I’m so glad your heart is so full of love!


13,187 posted on 04/28/2007 12:14:36 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: rbmillerjr
"Supporting the most liberal GOP candidate in the Primary, they certainly have no claim as a conservative, so what are they?"

IMO, they are conservatives who are hoping, perhaps incorrectly, that Rudy is a conservative too. Some of them are caught up in the general admiration that most Americans feel for the man, others may just think he is a winner and support him because they see him as the man who will most easily defeat Hillary.

I'm not sure that the media will let anyone defeat a real life socialist like Hillary, so it may all be academic.

If FR cripples itself over this Rudy argument, which looks possible, it will be a help to the Dems.

13,188 posted on 04/28/2007 12:15:37 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: EternalVigilance

“I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. ‘Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death.”

Thomas Paine


13,189 posted on 04/28/2007 12:15:49 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Sam Cree

“They are not liberals or socialists, as so many gleefully assert.”

The biggest common factor that the banned freepers and the sturdier Rudy promoters still here share, is an intolerance for social conservatives, and the faithful.


13,190 posted on 04/28/2007 12:15:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
Hi Worker Bee...

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13,191 posted on 04/28/2007 12:17:49 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: sodpoodle
Well aren't you proud of yourself! You should be ashamed, but OOPS wait a minute—That would require common decency!
13,192 posted on 04/28/2007 12:17:54 PM PDT by sissyjane (Fred!!)
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To: Skywarner
It's an easy question, even if it is a telling one - Do you have the guts to answer it straightforwardly and honestly?
13,193 posted on 04/28/2007 12:18:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Tom Paine sure had alotta wisdom for a heathen! ;-)


13,194 posted on 04/28/2007 12:19:36 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: La Enchiladita

Hello, Dita!


13,195 posted on 04/28/2007 12:20:06 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: EternalVigilance

He did. And here’s one from Alexander Hamilton:

“Power may be justly compared to a great river; while kept within its bounds it is both beautiful and useful, but when it overflows its banks, it is then too impetuous to be stemmed; it bears down all before it, and brings destruction and desolation wherever it goes.”


13,196 posted on 04/28/2007 12:21:01 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: La Enchiladita

That a cool Bee Dita. Can I have it?


13,197 posted on 04/28/2007 12:21:17 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Anti Islam and a Global Warming denier - piss on Islam)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Very good.


13,198 posted on 04/28/2007 12:21:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: ansel12

I don’t think your bully tactics are the way to go.
Especially in the case of GBU, who contributes high caliber posting to this site.


13,199 posted on 04/28/2007 12:22:52 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: Sam Cree

“IMO, they are conservatives who are hoping, perhaps incorrectly, that Rudy is a conservative too. “

Ok, so they’re wrong conservatives? Naieve conservtives (his record speaks for itself)

“I’m not sure that the media will let anyone defeat a real life socialist like Hillary, so it may all be academic.”

Wow we are in conceptual agreement here ( i feel strongly that conservatives need to prepare long range plans to get conservative kids interested in journalism and education, strong socialization forces that give the libs a huge advantage with especially young people. I was a Dem at one point, until Reagan came along.

“If FR cripples itself over this Rudy argument, which looks possible, it will be a help to the Dems.”

First, this FR activity is a response to the establishment of the GOP and those supporting the establishment of the GOP. It is the GOP that is killing themselves and have been since about 98. Secondly this site is a big site and will get only better through the 08 election cycle.


13,200 posted on 04/28/2007 12:23:02 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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