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Congress slams Smithsonian's anti-religious attacks
WorldNetDaily.com ^
| December 16, 2006
| Bob Unruh
Posted on 12/16/2006 12:22:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
A new report from the U.S. House of Representatives has condemned officials at the Smithsonian Institution for imposing a religious test on scientists who work there. And it suggests their attacks on a scientist who just edited an article on intelligent design are just the tip of the iceberg of an industry-wide fear of anything that suggests man might not have come from a puddle of sludge.
Dr. Richard Sternberg |
The report, which cited a "strong religious and political component" in the dispute, was prompted by a complaint from Dr. Richard Sternberg, who holds biology doctorates from Binghamton and Florida International universities and has served as a research associate at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History.
It was prepared for U.S. Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind., chairman of the subcommittee of criminal justice, drug policy and human resources, and easily confirmed Sternberg's harassment and discrimination allegations that his managers criticized him, created a hostile work environment for him, and now have demoted him because of the article, which he didn't even write.
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ac; censorship; evolution; id; liberalcensorship; moralabsolutes; persecution; protectingtheracket; religion; science; smithsonian; taxdollarsatwork; theoryasfact; theoryofelevolution; thoughtcrime; youpayforthis
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To: ndt
No one is looking for ID "scientists"... That's just the point. Show me a scientist with WAY above average credientials...educated at the finest schools, and he won't dare hint that he may believe some elements of ID, for fear of the (fanatical atheist/evolutionist)Richard Dawkins-types who control his job.
When one philosophical belief system controls practically all the public and private institutions of science, we fail at many points to get "science" any more.
"Industry" by the way doesn't hire many scientists to get the job done anyway... that's the engineer's job. Scientists are typically in research; a lions' share done by publically funded institutions and universities. I doubt if Dow Chemical or DuPont could care less what their research scientists think about ID, but MIT sure does--and one doesn't get into industry without first making it in the academy.
ID is always considered a "conservative" cause anyway...why would (ultra-liberal) NPR be interested in showing discrimination against IDers (unless it really exists!) in their beloved public universities?
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:06:33 PM PST
by
AnalogReigns
(real conservatives have conservative values...)
To: ndt
ID does not reject 99% of what is generally held. In any case, hiring is generally based on paper-credentials and recommendations. Most of the time the company want a warm body in every slot, and perfer people who do what they are told to do. That is why Einstein ended up in the patent office, and why there he didn't get along there.
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:09:17 PM PST
by
RobbyS
( CHI)
To: ndt
"It does me no injury, for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."~~~Thomas Jefferson
Not according to the Smithsonian Institution!
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:09:26 PM PST
by
Tinian
To: ndt
I thought that because you posted the following:
So ID now needs legislation to force real scientists to listen to them. Thats rich.
This is incongruent with the article. The man was persecuted for editing an article about ID. He did not force anything on anyone.
And THAT is why I wondered whether you read the article or not.
APf
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:16:20 PM PST
by
APFel
(You too can take Dylan Thomas out of context! Ask me how!)
To: AnalogReigns
"That's just the point. Show me a scientist with WAY above average credientials...educated at the finest schools, and he won't dare hint that he may believe some elements of ID, for fear of the (fanatical atheist/evolutionist)Richard Dawkins-types who control his job."
I'm talking about the other way. Nobody is hiring an ID researcher (expert witnesses in lawsuits excepted). Nobody wants an ID researcher because they have nothing to offer.
"Industry" by the way doesn't hire many scientists to get the job done anyway... that's the engineer's job. "
If ID offered a better predictive ability for the development of new pharmaceuticals or other marketable products, they absolutely would be looking for them. They are not.
"Scientists are typically in research; a lions' share done by publically funded institutions and universities."
Having worked in a number of companies related to drug discovery I can assure you that you are very wrong. Most scientists work 9-5 at some corporation, not at a university.
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:19:33 PM PST
by
ndt
To: APFel
Never mind, the poster you're referring to has a history of misrepresenting (bording on deliberate lying) about his opponents position.
When you take a close look at his posts, you can see why he is reduced to doing that. His positions are rooted in wishful thinking.
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:20:10 PM PST
by
Balding_Eagle
(God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
To: Keflavik76; wagglebee; metmom; RunningWolf
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:22:32 PM PST
by
little jeremiah
(Only those who thirst for the truth will see the truth)
To: APFel
"This is incongruent with the article."
Sorry, that was poorly worded.
He essentially went crying to congress that he was being discriminated against. I began to see how this could turn into an "affirmative action for ID" issue.
So I commented without clarifying what the heck I was thinking about. The written version of talking to myself.
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:23:17 PM PST
by
ndt
To: Tinian
"Not according to the Smithsonian Institution!"
The Smithsonian has an agenda, Science. I would not expect them to look favorable on an article about astrology either.
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:25:56 PM PST
by
ndt
To: editor-surveyor; little jeremiah; 69ConvertibleFirebird; Alexander Rubin; ...
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:27:40 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
To: Balding_Eagle; APFel
"bording on deliberate lying"
Aren't you little bitter?
"When you take a close look at his posts, you can see why he is reduced to doing that. His positions are rooted in wishful thinking."
Care to give me an example?
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:28:20 PM PST
by
ndt
To: editor-surveyor
"NMNH officials have made clear their intent to prevent any scientist publicly skeptical of Darwinian theory from ever being appointed as a Research Associate, no matter how sterling his or her professional credentials or research.
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:35:14 PM PST
by
RunningWolf
(2-1 Cav 1975)
Knocking our heads against a brick wall bump.
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:35:28 PM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: editor-surveyor
If anybody is seriously wondering about the evidence for Intelligent design, Reasons to Believe has a great web site filled with resources. In many ways it takes more faith to believe that we evolved from some primordial soup then in Intelligent Design.
http://www.reasons.org/
To: ndt
That's easy. You wished I was a xenophobe, and tried to get me to argue with you from that position.
Now begone, I wasn't responding to you. This is out of simple curtesy.
You're what we used to call a Disrupter. Now, on occasion, your type is called a Zot.
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:36:33 PM PST
by
Balding_Eagle
(God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
To: ndt
I think the main idea behind ID is that some of the claims of the current theory are wrong. What if they simply spend their time trying to present evidence against the current theory and drop the whole "intelligent design" alternative?
To: ndt
I'm talking about the other way. Nobody is hiring an ID researcher (expert witnesses in lawsuits excepted). Nobody wants an ID researcher because they have nothing to offer.And by what power or talent did you obtain the omniscience to speak authoritatively on behalf of "everybody" so that you could state with such absolute assurance what "nobody" would do?
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:40:46 PM PST
by
JCEccles
To: Balding_Eagle
Most evolutions will do that. For some reason they will never accept a non-evo or what he says at face value.
They will twist and distort it with (the strawman etc) the various tools of mockery and ridicule, because I strongly suspect that it really is not about the science with them.
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:43:15 PM PST
by
RunningWolf
(2-1 Cav 1975)
To: Balding_Eagle
Most evolutions = Most evolutionists
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:45:40 PM PST
by
RunningWolf
(2-1 Cav 1975)
To: marsh_of_mists
"I think the main idea behind ID is that some of the claims of the current theory are wrong. "
I'm not sure what claims you are saying are wrong. There are unknowns for sure and there always will be. Anything known to be wrong would be dropped.
"What if they simply spend their time trying to present evidence against the current theory and drop the whole "intelligent design" alternative?"
That would require them to do original research, something they have done almost none of. Trying to disprove is exactly what an experiment does, so if they were to go this route, that would actually be science.
Even so, if you can show that "A" is wrong, that does not mean that "B" is correct. They would need to show that ID has greater predictive abilty then the TOE.
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posted on
12/16/2006 1:46:52 PM PST
by
ndt
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