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To: marsh_of_mists
"I think the main idea behind ID is that some of the claims of the current theory are wrong. "

I'm not sure what claims you are saying are wrong. There are unknowns for sure and there always will be. Anything known to be wrong would be dropped.

"What if they simply spend their time trying to present evidence against the current theory and drop the whole "intelligent design" alternative?"

That would require them to do original research, something they have done almost none of. Trying to disprove is exactly what an experiment does, so if they were to go this route, that would actually be science.

Even so, if you can show that "A" is wrong, that does not mean that "B" is correct. They would need to show that ID has greater predictive abilty then the TOE.
40 posted on 12/16/2006 1:46:52 PM PST by ndt
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To: ndt
They would need to show that ID has greater predictive abilty then the TOE.

The "scientists" pushing ID have little scientific credibility because of things like this:

The Creation Research Society has the following on their website:

The Creation Research Society is a professional organization of trained scientists and interested laypersons who are firmly committed to scientific special creation. The Society was organized in 1963 by a committee of ten like-minded scientists, and has grown into an organization with an international membership.

CRS Statement of Belief

All members must subscribe to the following statement of belief:

1. The Bible is the written Word of God, and because it is inspired throughout, all its assertions are historically and scientifically true in the original autographs. To the student of nature this means that the account of origins in Genesis is a factual presentation of simple historical truths.

2. All basic types of living things, including man, were made by direct creative acts of God during the Creation Week described in Genesis. Whatever biological changes have occurred since Creation Week have accomplished only changes within the original created kinds.

3. The great flood described in Genesis, commonly referred to as the Noachian Flood, was an historic event worldwide in its extent and effect.

4. We are an organization of Christian men and women of science who accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. The account of the special creation of Adam and Eve as one man and one woman and their subsequent fall into sin is the basis for our belief in the necessity of a Savior for all mankind. Therefore, salvation can come only through accepting Jesus Christ as our Savior.

Does this sound like science to you? Does this sound like research?

Any time preconceived beliefs, such as these, override the scientific method, an individual is doing apologetics (defense of religion), not science. It doesn't matter what scientific degrees one may have; to agree to a set of standards such as this, which is common (whether explicit or implicit) in creationist circles, is to cease doing science.

49 posted on 12/16/2006 2:07:49 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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