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Famous British astrophysicist Stephen Hawking says pope told him not to study beginning of universe
Northwest Florida Daily News ^ | 15 JUNE 2006 | Min Lee

Posted on 06/15/2006 8:24:55 AM PDT by Boxen

HONG KONG (AP) - Famous astrophysicist Stephen Hawking said Thursday that the late Pope John Paul II once told scientists they should not study the beginning of the universe because it was the work of God.

The British author _ who wrote the best-seller "A Brief History of Time" _ said that the pope made the comments at a cosmology conference at the Vatican.

Hawking, who didn't say when the meeting was held, quoted the pope as saying, "It's OK to study the universe and where it began. But we should not enquire into the beginning itelf because that was the moment of creation and the work of God."

The scientist then joked during a lecture in Hong Kong, "I was glad he didn't realize I had presented a paper at the conference suggesting how the universe began. I didn't fancy the thought of being handed over to the Inquisition like Galileo."

The church condemned Galileo in the 17th century for supporting Nicholas Copernicus' discovery that Earth revolved around the sun. Church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.

But in 1992, Pope John Paul II issued a declaration saying that the church's denunciation of Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension."

Hawking is one of the best-known theoretical physicists of his generation. He has done groundbreaking research on black holes and the origins of the universe. He proposes that space and time have no beginning and no end.

His hourlong lecture to a sold-out audience at Hong Kong University of Science and Technology was highly theoretical and technical. During the question-and-answer session, Hawking was asked where constants like gravity come from and whether gravity can distort light.

But there were several light, humorous moments.

Hawking _ who must communicate with an electronic speech synthesizer _ said he once considered using a machine that gave him a French accent but he couldn't use it because his wife would divorce him.

The astrophysicist is wheelchair-bound and uses an electronic voice because he has the neurological disorder called amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or ALS.

Hawking was asked why his computerized voice has an American accent.

"The voice I use is a very old hardware speech synthesizer made in 1986," he said. "I keep it because I have not heard a voice I like better and because I have identified with it."

But Hawking said he's shopping for a new system because the hardware he uses is large and fragile. He also said it uses components that are no longer made.

"I have been trying to get a software version, but it seems very difficult," he said.

He urged people with physical disabilities not to give up on their ambitions.

"You can't afford to be disabled in spirit as well as physically," he said. "People won't have time for you."

The moderator at the lecture told the audience that at a recent dinner, she asked Hawking what his ambitions were. He said he wanted to know how the universe began, what happens inside black holes and how can humans survive the next 100 years, she said.

But she added he had one more great ambition: "I would also like to understand women."

Hawking ended his lecture saying, "We are getting closer to answering the age-old questions: Why are we here? Where did we come from?"


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To: Boxen

I think the Pope may have simply found Hawking's lack of faith disturbing.

There are things science can't explain (or can't yet explain). One of these things is the creation of the universe. Faith is supposed to fill the gaps.

I find the search for the truth a noble cause, and those who search are noble persons. However, to search for the truth because one has no faith to fill the gaps, that is a troubling thought.


21 posted on 06/15/2006 8:49:11 AM PDT by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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To: wideawake
Hawking is obviously lying, and lying about someone who is now dead and cannot answer the charges.

Yes. He is embellishing.

22 posted on 06/15/2006 8:50:31 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Admin Moderator
You make a good point.

There is a profound difference: I was obviously making a joke, and Hawking's slander was deadly serious.

23 posted on 06/15/2006 8:51:13 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: sinkspur
This sounds apocryphal, to me. John Paul II was a keen intellectual and respected other intellectuals. I can't believe that he would ask anyone to refrain from investigating anything, especially in the absence of a like request of some other scientist.

Exactly. Some one also mentioned in another post that John Paul II is gone and can't defend himself. I smell a rat and its name is Stephen Hawking.

24 posted on 06/15/2006 8:53:02 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Boxen
great comment

He urged people with physical disabilities not to give up on their ambitions.

"You can't afford to be disabled in spirit as well as physically," he said. "People won't have time for you."

25 posted on 06/15/2006 8:55:01 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com/)
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To: BaBaStooey
There are things science can't explain (or can't yet explain). One of these things is the creation of the universe. Faith is supposed to fill the gaps.

Better, I think, to just admit that there are some things that we don't know but are trying to find out. I don't understand how the search for knowledge can be satisfied by taking on faith the suppositions of people who lived thousands of years ago and had even less information to work with.
26 posted on 06/15/2006 8:56:16 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Boxen
What does this mean?

"It's OK to study the universe and where it began. But we should not enquire into the beginning itelf because that was the moment of creation and the work of God."

It's OK to study the beginning of the universe but not OK to study the beginning itself? This doesn't make sense and I doubt it is an actual quote.
27 posted on 06/15/2006 8:57:40 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: GOP Poet
And the infallible popes of the past insisted the earth is flat. No wonder the Catholic church is dying.
28 posted on 06/15/2006 8:58:18 AM PDT by refermech
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To: refermech

***And the infallible popes of the past insisted the earth is flat. No wonder the Catholic church is dying.***

As far as infallibility is concerned, it is a very VERY rare occurence within the Catholic church. Please do not assume that every statement by every pope is within the bounds of infallibility.


29 posted on 06/15/2006 9:03:09 AM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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To: Boxen

I doubt it, and I would like to see some corroborating evidence. The man who wrote Fides et Ratio has nothing to fear from objective scientific inquiry.


30 posted on 06/15/2006 9:05:22 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: kitkat

OK, I'll bite. Which ones are and which ones aren't?


31 posted on 06/15/2006 9:08:23 AM PDT by refermech
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To: wideawake
There is a profound difference: I was obviously making a joke, and Hawking's slander was deadly serious I jumped to an unshakable conclusion about Hawking's statement based only on my own presumptions and I refuse to consider that I might possibly in any way be mistaken.

There, I fixed your post so that it's correct now.

32 posted on 06/15/2006 9:16:31 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Boxen; All
Pope John Paul II once told scientists they should not study the beginning of the universe because it was the work of God.

Seems to me that if what Hawkings states is true, there are other witnesses who can verify it.

So Steven "don't call me JF Kerry" Hawkings, who are the other scientists who witnessed the pope making this statement? Don't tell me they're all dead too.

33 posted on 06/15/2006 9:17:58 AM PDT by Diplomat
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To: Boxen
"I was glad he didn't realize I had presented a paper at the conference suggesting how the universe began. I didn't fancy the thought of being handed over to the Inquisition like Galileo."

What a jokester.

Somehow, I think ol' Steve either is making stuff up, or misunderstood what the Pope said to him.
34 posted on 06/15/2006 9:21:14 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals -- regardless of party.)
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To: Ichneumon
It was correct as it stood. Hawking presented his slander to a public audience and characterized it as a direct quote of the late Pope.

It is clear from the context of the article that he intended his lie to convey the following propaganda: (1) that the late Pope was trying to censor him (when in reality the late Pope had actually invited him to speak freely on a topic of his own choosing) and (2) that the late Pope was a stupid man who did not even realize what the topic was of the paper Hawking presented at the conference the late Pope himself was sponsoring.

35 posted on 06/15/2006 9:22:30 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: refermech
OK, I'll bite. Which ones are and which ones aren't?

The pope is only infallible on matters of dogma and faith.

36 posted on 06/15/2006 9:26:39 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: BaBaStooey
"I think the Pope may have simply found Hawking's lack of faith disturbing."

I'm ashamed to admit it, but if it's between Darth Vader and Jar-Jar I'd side with the Pope and go with Vader.

37 posted on 06/15/2006 9:27:43 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: refermech
And the infallible popes of the past insisted the earth is flat.

They didn't invoke infallibility (you wouldn't understand it anyway) nor was it a doctrine or dogma of the Church. In other words, your post is nonsense.

No wonder the Catholic church is dying.

Wishful thinking.

38 posted on 06/15/2006 9:35:20 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christ embraces sinners; liberals embrace the sin.)
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To: Boxen

Hawking ended his lecture saying, "We are getting closer to answering the age-old questions: Why are we here? Where did we come from?"




It won't be long now that we find out Stephen...for any of us.


39 posted on 06/15/2006 9:37:08 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Junior
The pope is only infallible on matters of dogma and faith.

Please don't mislead. Infallibility is rarely invoked and only when he is speaking "ex Cathedra". Not every pronouncement from his mouth, even on matters of faith, is infallible. Jesus rebuked Peter immediately after conferring his office and Paul rebuked Peter for his treatment of gentiles... it's a tradition that goes way back.

40 posted on 06/15/2006 9:38:56 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christ embraces sinners; liberals embrace the sin.)
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