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Famous British astrophysicist Stephen Hawking says pope told him not to study beginning of universe
Northwest Florida Daily News ^
| 15 JUNE 2006
| Min Lee
Posted on 06/15/2006 8:24:55 AM PDT by Boxen
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To: Boxen
I think the Pope may have simply found Hawking's lack of faith disturbing.
There are things science can't explain (or can't yet explain). One of these things is the creation of the universe. Faith is supposed to fill the gaps.
I find the search for the truth a noble cause, and those who search are noble persons. However, to search for the truth because one has no faith to fill the gaps, that is a troubling thought.
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posted on
06/15/2006 8:49:11 AM PDT
by
BaBaStooey
(I heart Emma Caulfield.)
To: wideawake
Hawking is obviously lying, and lying about someone who is now dead and cannot answer the charges. Yes. He is embellishing.
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posted on
06/15/2006 8:50:31 AM PDT
by
sinkspur
(Today, we settled all family business.)
To: Admin Moderator
You make a good point.
There is a profound difference: I was obviously making a joke, and Hawking's slander was deadly serious.
To: sinkspur
This sounds apocryphal, to me. John Paul II was a keen intellectual and respected other intellectuals. I can't believe that he would ask anyone to refrain from investigating anything, especially in the absence of a like request of some other scientist.Exactly. Some one also mentioned in another post that John Paul II is gone and can't defend himself. I smell a rat and its name is Stephen Hawking.
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posted on
06/15/2006 8:53:02 AM PDT
by
GOP Poet
To: Boxen
great comment
He urged people with physical disabilities not to give up on their ambitions.
"You can't afford to be disabled in spirit as well as physically," he said. "People won't have time for you."
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posted on
06/15/2006 8:55:01 AM PDT
by
wallcrawlr
(http://www.bionicear.com/)
To: BaBaStooey
There are things science can't explain (or can't yet explain). One of these things is the creation of the universe. Faith is supposed to fill the gaps.
Better, I think, to just admit that there are some things that we don't know but are trying to find out. I don't understand how the search for knowledge can be satisfied by taking on faith the suppositions of people who lived thousands of years ago and had even less information to work with.
To: Boxen
What does this mean?
"It's OK to study the universe and where it began. But we should not enquire into the beginning itelf because that was the moment of creation and the work of God."
It's OK to study the beginning of the universe but not OK to study the beginning itself? This doesn't make sense and I doubt it is an actual quote.
To: GOP Poet
And the infallible popes of the past insisted the earth is flat. No wonder the Catholic church is dying.
To: refermech
***And the infallible popes of the past insisted the earth is flat. No wonder the Catholic church is dying.***
As far as infallibility is concerned, it is a very VERY rare occurence within the Catholic church. Please do not assume that every statement by every pope is within the bounds of infallibility.
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posted on
06/15/2006 9:03:09 AM PDT
by
kitkat
(The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
To: Boxen
I doubt it, and I would like to see some corroborating evidence. The man who wrote Fides et Ratio has nothing to fear from objective scientific inquiry.
To: kitkat
OK, I'll bite. Which ones are and which ones aren't?
To: wideawake
There is a profound difference: I was obviously making a joke, and Hawking's slander was deadly serious I jumped to an unshakable conclusion about Hawking's statement based only on my own presumptions and I refuse to consider that I might possibly in any way be mistaken. There, I fixed your post so that it's correct now.
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posted on
06/15/2006 9:16:31 AM PDT
by
Ichneumon
(Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
To: Boxen; All
Pope John Paul II once told scientists they should not study the beginning of the universe because it was the work of God. Seems to me that if what Hawkings states is true, there are other witnesses who can verify it.
So Steven "don't call me JF Kerry" Hawkings, who are the other scientists who witnessed the pope making this statement? Don't tell me they're all dead too.
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posted on
06/15/2006 9:17:58 AM PDT
by
Diplomat
To: Boxen
"I was glad he didn't realize I had presented a paper at the conference suggesting how the universe began. I didn't fancy the thought of being handed over to the Inquisition like Galileo."
What a jokester.
Somehow, I think ol' Steve either is making stuff up, or misunderstood what the Pope said to him.
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posted on
06/15/2006 9:21:14 AM PDT
by
Antoninus
(I don't vote for liberals -- regardless of party.)
To: Ichneumon
It was correct as it stood. Hawking presented his slander to a public audience and characterized it as a direct quote of the late Pope.
It is clear from the context of the article that he intended his lie to convey the following propaganda: (1) that the late Pope was trying to censor him (when in reality the late Pope had actually invited him to speak freely on a topic of his own choosing) and (2) that the late Pope was a stupid man who did not even realize what the topic was of the paper Hawking presented at the conference the late Pope himself was sponsoring.
To: refermech
OK, I'll bite. Which ones are and which ones aren't? The pope is only infallible on matters of dogma and faith.
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posted on
06/15/2006 9:26:39 AM PDT
by
Junior
(Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
To: BaBaStooey
"I think the Pope may have simply found Hawking's lack of faith disturbing." I'm ashamed to admit it, but if it's between Darth Vader and Jar-Jar I'd side with the Pope and go with Vader.
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posted on
06/15/2006 9:27:43 AM PDT
by
avg_freeper
(Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
To: refermech
And the infallible popes of the past insisted the earth is flat.They didn't invoke infallibility (you wouldn't understand it anyway) nor was it a doctrine or dogma of the Church. In other words, your post is nonsense.
No wonder the Catholic church is dying.
Wishful thinking.
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posted on
06/15/2006 9:35:20 AM PDT
by
pgyanke
(Christ embraces sinners; liberals embrace the sin.)
To: Boxen
Hawking ended his lecture saying, "We are getting closer to answering the age-old questions: Why are we here? Where did we come from?"
It won't be long now that we find out Stephen...for any of us.
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posted on
06/15/2006 9:37:08 AM PDT
by
eleni121
('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
To: Junior
The pope is only infallible on matters of dogma and faith. Please don't mislead. Infallibility is rarely invoked and only when he is speaking "ex Cathedra". Not every pronouncement from his mouth, even on matters of faith, is infallible. Jesus rebuked Peter immediately after conferring his office and Paul rebuked Peter for his treatment of gentiles... it's a tradition that goes way back.
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posted on
06/15/2006 9:38:56 AM PDT
by
pgyanke
(Christ embraces sinners; liberals embrace the sin.)
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