Posted on 03/31/2006 12:13:03 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
Princeton University sociologist Douglas S. Massey reports that 62 percent of illegal immigrants pay income taxes (via withholding) and 66 percent contribute to Social Security. Forbes magazine notes that Mexican illegals aren't clogging up the social-services system: only 5 percent receive food stamps or unemployment assistance; 10 percent send kids to public schools.
Economist Larry Kudlow praises Hispanic entrepreneurship: "According to 2002 Census Bureau data, Hispanics are opening businesses at a rate three times faster than the national average. In addition, there were almost 1.6 million Hispanic-owned businesses generating $222 billion in revenue in 2002."
Total crime and property crime in California are half what they were in 1980; violent crime has fallen more than a third. The state's Hispanic population during that time has increased 120 percent.
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What about all the disease coming north into the usa with all the illegals, legal immigrates must pass a health check, TB is back and G*d knows what else, is that fair to the American people to subject them to third world diseases we eradicated years ago?
I could go on about crime, wages, social services, etc but I think I have made my point.
Actually, the House wants to make it a felony. That's why we're having the marches and hyperbole.
You're surre that this is available to illegal immigrants. Your post refers to resident and non-resident aliens using an ITIN. Does an illegal immigant fall into resident or non-resident alien?
he [President Bush] lost the Texas hispanic vote...every county along the southern border he lost...take a look again at the red/blue map
Bush won 64% of Hispanic vote in 2004
Sure...we'll get them all to fill out forms, and the ones who check the "drug dealer" box in the Present Occupation section will get kicked out.
"If we can't even get a handle on how many illegal immigrants we have in the US, how does Mr. Massey estimate how many pay income taxes and how many contribute to SS?"
Try doing a little research into the SSA's Earnings Suspense File, study its growth over the past twenty years, figure out what geographic areas are pumping the majority of the $7 billion dollars a year going in, and what the people pumping the $$$ into the "file" do for a living.
"It seems to me he's pulling these numbers out of thin air."
There's a whole lot of pulling numbers out of someplace going on in this debate, and everyone has their own preference.
"If we need the workers that bad, and they need the jobs that bad, fine. Let them apply for the jobs BEFORE they get in. "
There's no mechanism for that.
Go here, and pay particular attention to page 6.
The CFR is a bunch of old men getting together for lunch on occasion and issuing white papers that have no legal standing.
Sometimes I think they meet just to give the conspirazoids new material.
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the "felony" was put into the bill by the Rats as a poison pill.
People with green cards are issued SS cards.
You're still obfuscating.
Your previous statement was proven wrong:
I would also like to say, illegals who are paying Federal, State and FICA must be using false documents or committing identity theft, both serious crimes that need to be addressed.
For a discussion of the issues that Washington is too intimidated to discuss: Immigration & The American Future. The duty of the American Government has always been to preserve the America that is, not to remake it in an internationalist image.
The Mexican migrants could be the greatest people on earth, that would not make the present policy acceptable.
Now, see? There you go, again, lumping "infractions" together with criminal offenses. I actually heard a government official, with that peculiar timerity born of bureaucracy, argue that illegal immigration is nothing more than an "administrative problem"; in the same league as making an inadvertent error on a form over in the HR department.
I triple-dog-dare you try that line the next time you get a letter from the IRS. You'll get a whole new perspective on the true nature of an "administrative problem". You've heard that "you can't get blood from a turnip"? Bank on this: the IRS knows how. [Funny how the government takes it so much more seriously when revenue is involved.]
So, then, who's next on you list of deportees; liars and BS-peddlers? Guess you'd better get a head start and pack your suitcase tonight.
Actually, I attended a CFR meeting in beautiful downtown Los Angeles, and William French Smith was the speaker talking about, you guessed it, illegal immigration! Reagan was going to crack down. Injunction would be issued against employers hiring illegals. The "flood" would be stopped. And there you have it.
The statsitics, when honestly presented, by and large support the anti-immigration side. This piece is a textbook example of spinning the stats.
For example:
Princeton University sociologist Douglas S. Massey reports that 62 percent of illegal immigrants pay income taxes (via withholding) and 66 percent contribute to Social Security.
Okay, that's nice, but what about how much do they pay, and how does it compare to the amount they use in government services? Without the comparison, this statistic means very little.
Economist Larry Kudlow praises Hispanic entrepreneurship: "According to 2002 Census Bureau data, Hispanics are opening businesses at a rate three times faster than the national average. In addition, there were almost 1.6 million Hispanic-owned businesses generating $222 billion in revenue in 2002."
That's also nice, but irrelevent. I doubt those opening businesses are illegals. Most hispanics are not illegal aliens, and that's what the House bill addresses.
Total crime and property crime in California are half what they were in 1980; violent crime has fallen more than a third. The state's Hispanic population during that time has increased 120 percent.
Classic example of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Correlation is not causation. Crime fell dramatically nation-wide during the 1990's, both in places with high and low immigrant populations.
1968? Hmm...Nixon won there in 1968 and 1972. Ford won there in 1976. Reagan won there in 1980 and 1984. President Bush Sr. won there (albeit barely) in 1988. Since then, the GOP candidate has lost in California by large margins. So, the political problems there are much more recent than 1968, at least at the Presidential level.
Now, compare that with Texas. From 1968 to 2004, only one Democrat has won here -- Carter (barely) in 1976. Demographically, we have had the same growing Hispanic population as California. But politically, this state was Rat-infested at the state level. This began to change in the mid-1990s, and now Republicans run the state government at all levels.
The difference, I think, is that here in Texas, the GOP sees Hispanics as potential supporters. So, they work to earn their votes. In California, the state GOP sees Hispanics as enemies. Both states are heavily populated, with a large percentage of Hispanic voters. So, the GOP does well here and gets creamed in California. Well, duh!
I live in a state where meth production and distribution was a major problem. For years lawmakers hiked the penalties for production and distribution but this only exacerbated the problem. Then, they restricted the sale of the pseudophedrine, the active ingredient in cold medicine and a component used in meth production. Meth prodution dropped dramatically.
The key to addressing illegal immigration is not by going after the illegals. The key is to go after the employers. Institute a national ID card, with nonforgeable biometrics, to all citizens and resident aliens. The problem will slowly work itself out. If certain employment sectors need temporary workers, we could then address a worker program.
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