Posted on 03/31/2006 12:13:03 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
Princeton University sociologist Douglas S. Massey reports that 62 percent of illegal immigrants pay income taxes (via withholding) and 66 percent contribute to Social Security. Forbes magazine notes that Mexican illegals aren't clogging up the social-services system: only 5 percent receive food stamps or unemployment assistance; 10 percent send kids to public schools.
Economist Larry Kudlow praises Hispanic entrepreneurship: "According to 2002 Census Bureau data, Hispanics are opening businesses at a rate three times faster than the national average. In addition, there were almost 1.6 million Hispanic-owned businesses generating $222 billion in revenue in 2002."
Total crime and property crime in California are half what they were in 1980; violent crime has fallen more than a third. The state's Hispanic population during that time has increased 120 percent.
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Friend that's legal: qualified radiologist (sp?)
Friend's brother whom is illegal: drug smuggler and now is in jail for a long time.
Little difference, wouldn't you say?
I know many legal mexican/central american immigrants that are doing good things, but your articles statistics are mixed. Is one to think there's no difference between a legal citizens vs an illegal citizen?
Truth is legal immigrants use a lot of social services as well...more so than illegal; but one just has to look at the individuals and the law with due respect. Having limited immigration is clearly resposible and should be respected.
Countries have to pick-up the pace..invest in infrastructure, and promote an appropriate enviroment for business and high education. India's on it's way, why not Mexico? America can't alleviate that burden. Mexicans have to respect their country enough to change it.
What if we detained or deported all employers that hire illegals? I mean these folks are CRIMINALS who are helping CRIMINALS stay in this country. They are aiding and abetting the invasion that so many speak of.
OK ... and it's clear that at least some of the folks on this thread are of the same opinion, so the comparison at least sticks to them on that point.
I want the F@CKING law enforced.
OK, fine -- so do I -- but the question for you is: if you think it does not pose a danger to the US, why would you want/need laws about it in the first place? And if you do think it poses a danger, what separates you from the Know-Nothings in that particular regard?
Indeed. Very. Thanks for posting this article. I really appreciate hearing the arguments from both sides of this debate.
Been a while, Luis. Hope that all is well with you and yours.
I will agree that nobody knows the real number. I'd rather not get hung up on just exactly how big a number it is, we can agree I hope that it is a big bumber.
if the H1-B worker is employed by a consulting firm and acting as an independent contractor, they're not subject to US tax withholding...that, unfortunately is still the case as far as I know
The law about drilling in ANWR is being enforced, should that law stay put or should it be changed.
What has happened in Orange County (Bob Dornan's old district) proves that in spades...
Yes and no.
You, IMHO, don't understand what is transpiring in America right now.
There you go, at least you are putting it right where it should be!
And it would be nice to blame the Rats, but our Republican party has been in power for the last 5 years... so whom do we blame? :)
The Illegals just do what they are almost enticed to do... "Hey come here to our side.. we'll give a job," so they come. By the very ACT that the borders are wide open, that in itself gives them mixed signals. Stupid they are not...If the U.S. wanted to stop the flow of illegals, they could. It's that simple.
The only way this can be true is if the '10%' figure equals the proportion of illegal immigrants in the study that have school-aged children.
There are several school districts here in Arizona whose student population is composed largely (one-third or more) of illegal aliens.
"What is an ITIN?
An Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service. It is a nine-digit number that always begins with the number 9 and has a 7 or 8 in the fourth digit, example 9XX-7X-XXXX.
IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a U.S. taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain a Social Security Number (SSN) from the Social Security Administration (SSA).
ITINs are issued regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have U.S. tax return and payment responsibilities under the Internal Revenue Code.
Individuals must have a filing requirement and file a valid federal income tax return to receive an ITIN, unless they meet an exception"
http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96287,00.html
It is one thing to be oblivious about something, quite another to make statements in wanton deception or ignorance.
See post #59 Einstein. And the rest of the thread.
Amazing.
Only a little over half of Americans pay any income taxes.
When was the last time that a GOP Presidential candidate win in California? We have lots of Hispanics here in Texas, yet this state has trended more solidly GOP in the last 10 years. And so has the Hispanic vote in places where GOP politicians treat them like good human beings rather than presumed criminals or relatives of Osama Bin Laden.
I want to win elections. Losing sucks. And losing to Democrats sucks big time. So, let's solve this problem in a way that helps continue a trend of Hispanic voters to voting GOP. This trend is part of what was an emerging GOP permanent majority beginning in 2002. And it helped Bush and other Republicans in 2004. These people, by and large, are culturally conservative and hard-working. We can win them over to the GOP. If we succeed, the Democrats are toast. President Bush knows about this because, well, he used to be Governor of Texas.
Good find!
Hey, Tony, I have a question:
If you're right in your assertions, why, in the very title of your piece, do you engage in the intellectual dishonesty of failing to accurately describe the topic; inaccurately refering, instead, to "immigration" in the generic sense?
As one who, I must assume, wants their observations to be taken seriously, you must know that leading with such chicanery runs counter to your purpose. So, again, why did you do it?
That's a bogus comparison. California has been collecting fruits and nuts from all over America for the last 50 years. That's liberal Mecca. That has nothing to do with Prop 187. Scott McKenzie was singing about people with flowers in their hair in 1968...what kind of reception would a guy with flowers in his hair received in Texas in 1968?
Hispanics in Florida are primarily Cuban and primarily conservative. Illegal immigration is probably less popular with them than the American public as a whole.
You raise a good point about illegals paying federal and state income tax. Don't you have to have a SSN to file your taxes? If so, how does one get one except through document fraud if they are illegal?
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