Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[xsmommy]

i am responding to posts that were addressed to me! cajungirl asked if the pic i posted was Greta's husband, and indeed it is, his name is John Coale. and i was barfing at the shirtless geraldo pic of course!!

[xsmommy]

when i have a limited amount of time and i am just quickly responding to posts addressed to me, i will not go through the C&P routine. i figure if it isn't addressed to you, you really don't need to worry about it : )

[SunnyUsa]

good job with your date/time summary

[Nita Nupress]

Why all the lies even about his employment position to Greta?

Just the fact that he lied is very telling about his personality. At some level, he had to know his failure would eventually come out. Or maybe he's so far in denial that he thought he could keep this a secret. Either way, the lie gives us a window into his personality makeup.

[WestCoastGal]

"arubagirl says there's a pay phone next to McD's but it requires a phone card, not coin operated."

That's interesting. Now I wonder if those cards can be traced since you can buy them anywhere. I guess they could only see that one was used and who was called??

[Nita Nupress]

i figure if it isn't addressed to you, you really don't need to worry about it : )

I know, I know. But normally I like to read things you have to say.

Don't mind me; I still haven't had my coffee yet, plus I have to go so I'm irritated I don't have more time to catch up.

[cajungirl]

Brid, just {slurp, slurp} got up and saw {slurp, slurp}your pic of Geraldo {having trouble reading pposts, monitor is wet, slurp, slurp}

You are a very naughty girl {slurp, slurp}

[xsmommy]

this thread is impossible to stay caught up unless you can devote the day to it!!! i just usually hit the posts texkat pings to, so i can stay apprised, unless i have more time. Have a good one, Nita : )

[Nita Nupress]

BtW, the thread won't really have examples from this particular thread; I was just kidding. You can't do a funny thread when it has comments about people getting eaten by sharks or sold into slavery. :-/

[cajungirl]

wasn't there some singer named Twitty?

[maggief]

SM:

Here's some info on PVDS - was on Riehl World...

"Some biographical information about PVDS from a Dutch newspaper internetsite (www.ad.nl, "Van magistraat tot verdachte van moord"):
- he was born in The Netherlands, lived there from his birth in 1952 to 1993;
- he became a lawyer; he was known as a hardliner, a person also that never gives up;
- in 1993 he went with his family (wife and two sons Joran and Valentijn) to Aruba and worked there as a juridical employee for the State; on Aruba a third son is born: Sebastiaan;
- later he became assistent of the General Prosecutioner on Aruba;
- in 2003 (or 2002?) he started a training for judge, still on Aruba; from March 2004 to March 2005 he followed the judgetraining in The Netherlands; but he apparently failed; back on Aruba in March 2005 he doesn't continue his training."

The "apparently failed" statement has been confirmed by the Justice Minister.

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TX EquuSearch Update


Sorry, all--took me so much time to read and try to catch up that I forgot to post a very small update on TX EquuSearch.

While it's true that the winds on Aruba were quite strong today and they did affect the dogs' work earlier in the day and afternoon, Tim Miller said tonight that they were able to get back to work in the later afternoon and make some progress. Video showed the dogs working near a hotel.

They have been in the water with the side-scan sonar in at least a couple of places already searched and one that hadn't been (this was as of this evening, sometime before the 10PM CDT newscast). Eight divers were all assisting during the day and evening. (Probably still are, as I write this.)

Tim commented on the amount of detritus to sift through being exceptionally voluminous, but not a problem they haven't encountered before. I assume this is because of tourist areas and so many people coming and going--wrappers, cans, bottles, clothing items. It's very difficult under these circumstances to know what might be evidence.

It was also mentioned (can't recall if Tim said it or if I read it in an earlier update this afternoon) that Arubans may be called upon to help some of the ground-pounders in coming days.

Of course, anything of significance found will be turned over to authorities--I don't know if they will *announce* anything at this time. He did say the water searches of today had not turned up anything useful.

I was also surprised to learn there is a total of 24 team members (rather than 17) on the ground in Aruba--and 4 SAR dogs. Our local news said that three additional dogs had gone down today. (I thought they were "behind" and just reporting the last dog team, but I had this confirmed, and there are 4--only 1 dog went Friday.)

I might be forgetting one other aspect of today's searches, but I can't think of what it is!

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I'm editing to change the number of dogs to 4 from 6--only 1 dog went on Friday, then 3 on Sat. My original info was that 3 dogs went on Fri and 3 on Sat.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Yaelle, they were in the crib, layed up in the cut, with a big bootied, liberal drunk slut. Alcohol works miracles in the geriatrics mating game. NSNR

[hershey]

He also said to his pals that he didn't know where she was and when she turned up, he'd kick her butt.

[demkicker]

Rudy Croes indicate that he gave PVDS any hope of obtaining any type of government job. It was what Rudy didn't say that stood out to me.

Rudy did or didn't give PVDS any hope of obtaining a govt job? Your post isn't very clear.

If this scenario is true and I was Paulus Van der sloot, I would be very scared right now. For that matter, Rudy Croes would have a reason to be a little worried, too.

You may be onto something, but please explain in a little more detail.

[Rummyfan]

Always liked that description of Furyk's swing.... But how about Michelle Wie???? I hope she wins today. She has a lot of poise for a 15-year-old amateur. And a beautiful swing!

[maggief]

I found this:

Telecommunication services on Aruba are provided by Servicio di Telecommunication di Aruba (SETAR). The company operates phone and internet programs for both residents and visitors. Travelers to Aruba can arrange through SETAR to have a temporary internet connection established at their Aruba vacation rental, provided that it has a computer or that they bring a laptop. Prepaid phone cards, to use at pay phones outside of your Aruba vacation rental, can also be purchased from SETAR. Local cell phones are available for rent.

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http://www.setar.com/visiting_aruba.html

[auboy]

Conway Twitty. Great voice!

[NCjim]

brigette = female

(ducking and running for cover...)

[cajungirl]

I think the girls interviewed were not Nat's friends who weren't on the trip.

That said, I am struck by how Nat is described. They ask if Nat was drunk and the girls don't answwer directly, they say "She was okay". Yet one,can't remember which, says as they were leaving C and C she specifically asked Nat "are you okay" and Nat said "yes" but later it was said Nat didn't say much. so I wonder, was her drink spiked just before she left? Was she sort of stunned looking, silent, the way people who are drugged look. And I wonder if she yelled "aruba aruba" as she left or was it something else. Trying to figure out something she might yell, wanting help, that sounds like aruba aruba.

More and more I think Nat was in an "altered state" when she left C aned C. Not drunk but perhaps drugged on top of alcohol. And her friends noted something wasn't right thus asking her if she was okay. and she sort of passively went along with Joran.

[cajungirl]

wonder if conway is related to jug or jar. I still giggle when I think of their nicknames.