Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

[stlnative]

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

---

Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

---

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

---

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

---

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

---

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

---

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

---

[Peach]

Thank you so much for the pings to the developments and new information.

[GarySpFc]

As for Joran's sites, who took them down? I don't know how these personal sites are set up nor how they are taken down. These sites (My Place, etc) are real eye openers....and not in a good way. TIA

On one site which contained pictures of Joran the owner receieved an email from Joran asking the owner to blur Joran's face.

[hershey]

The person who sent D.Dunne that P.I. investigation team's secret report on the probable identity of Martha Moxley's killer was the young man told to make copies in the Skakel lawyer's office.

[beyond the sea]

The rain only lasted about 15 minutes. You know that type of "pop up" thunder shower we have in the summer? Anyhow, it was much better than nothing.

[beyond the sea]

LOL. I was watching one of my favorite golfers, Jim Furyk, playing so I passed on a little golf lingo.

Take care......

p.s. Jim has one of the strangest and unorthodox swings on the PGA Tour, having a backswing that goes all over the place. It was described by the very funny David Feherty like this:

"Furyk's swing looks like a one-armed man trying to kill a snake in a phone booth."

;-)

[maggief]

arubagirl says there's a pay phone next to McD's but it requires a phone card, not coin operated.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

I remember Great Scientology, interviewing two girls, but that part I am not sure. I have not ben impressed with any of Natalee's friends. It appears to me that are all struck with a PC "Kalifornia Dreamin" mindset.

(Real friends) look out for each other, even if they upset the apple-cart in doing so. If these girls are any indication of what best, good or nominal friends are in life. I would have preferred to go it alone, one can depend on one's self and not scatter brains like those so-called friends. NSNR

[maggief]

LOL

[xsmommy]

sure is. his name is John Coale.

[af_vet_1981]

Both Jordan and Kissel state she was not intoxicated, and yet a couple of ladies from New Jersey reportedly saw her in the bathroom and said she looked to be in trouble. I am getting the feeling she was slipped GHB just prior to leaving.

It was already mentioned in one of these threads that it was not Natalee, but another young woman of the group whoe was the one sick in the bathroom.

I think it possible (perhaps likely) that she was drugged if there was an element of truth to what the Deepak brother said about her being "very, very drunk." That would have been noticeable by her friends unless she was drugged and whisked away quickly (which seems to be what happened).

[No Surrender No Retreat]

TexKat, I believe Whoraldo thinks of himself as a, (Mac-Daddy, Player, Rico Suave) Whoraldo, fronting for the camera on his yatch in hopes of impressing/snagging a young beach babe. A very comical persona to the upteenth degree. NSNR

[Nita Nupress]

(Geraldo speaking) Rudy Croes also asked me to stress that the father (JVDS) is not a judge, he is a FAILED judge. He applied to the authorities in the mother country of the Netherlands in Holland to become a judge, he was TURNED DOWN, so just ironically a week before before Natalee disappeared on the 29th/30th of May, just a week before that Paulus had been to see Rudy Croes asking for a job and they were trying to figure out what the father could do for a living now that the father has been TURNED DOWN to be a judge.

I'm sure this has already been pointed out, but just in case it wasn't...

PVDS was evidently a gambler and may be carrying a large debt he's desperate to pay. Add that to the desperate feelings a man, the provider of his family, may have after being told he just wasted the last few years of his life and now has no job, no income, and status as a "failure" among his peers.

Desperate men sometimes do desperate things. Does anyone here seriously entertain the thought that he would become involved in mob/smuggling/human trafficking activity to pay his debts and avoid losing his shirt?

Also, Rudy Croes is in a family that has been accused of being heavily involved in mafia activity. The week before Nat disappeared, PVDS went to Croes to ask what he could do to pay his bills. I saw the Geraldo interview, and I didn't see Rudy Croes indicate that he gave PVDS any hope of obtaining any type of government job. It was what Rudy didn't say that stood out to me.

Something in my head keeps going "ding, ding, ding" and it won't stop. ;-)

If this scenario is true and I was Paulus Van der sloot, I would be very scared right now. For that matter, Rudy Croes would have a reason to be a little worried, too.

[xsmommy]

OMG!!!!!!! BARF!!!!!!!

[maggief]

Good finds:

Cyber Cafe closed at 10:00, matches unconfirmed email.

JvdS called DK for ride at 2:30am

Text messaged DK later, (45 min.) not to pick him up he found another way home.

Question: Is DK getting paid to chauffeur JvdS around the island?

[af_vet_1981]

7:30 am Joran in school bragging about sex with Natalee -- also saying she drowned??

Most Interesting

[demkicker]

Did you ping all of those people over to this thread to disrupt it and talk about golf swings, or do you want to join in on the discussion about Natalee Holloway?

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Hey John, do remember the picture of Sir Westly with the Vee neck sweater, on the front page of a national magazine? It reminded me of of the song Vogue. Westly was striking a pose for,"Unfamous Gay Men In America." (Satire) NSNR

[Nita Nupress]

You're driving me crazy, xsmommy! Who is John Coale and why are you barfing?

I already have this thread written. It's just waiting until I have time to post it. I'm giving everyone fair warning right now that you may be used as an example of how not to post. lol!

[maggief]

I don't buy it either.