Posted on 06/08/2005 4:41:38 AM PDT by echoBoomer
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli researcher has challenged the popular belief that Jesus died of blood loss on the cross, saying he probably succumbed to a sometimes fatal disorder now associated with long-haul air travel.
Professor Benjamin Brenner wrote in The Journal of Thrombosis and Haemostasis that Jesus's death, traditionally believed to have occurred 3-6 hours after crucifixion began, was probably caused by a blood clot that reached his lungs.
Such pulmonary embolisms, leading to sudden death, can stem from immobilisation, multiple trauma and dehydration, said Brenner, a researcher at Rambam Medical Center in Haifa.
"This fits well with Jesus's condition and actually was in all likelihood the major cause of death by crucifixion," he wrote in the article, based on religious and medical texts.
A 1986 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association mentioned the possibility that Jesus suffered a blood clot but concluded that he died of blood loss.
But Brenner said research into blood coagulation had made significant strides over the past two decades.
He said recent medical research has linked immobility among passengers on lengthy air flights to deep vein thrombosis, popularly known as "economy-class syndrome" in which potentially fatal blood clots can develop, usually in the lower legs.
Brenner noted that before crucifixion, Jesus underwent scourging, but the researcher concluded that "the amount of blood loss by itself" would not have killed him.
He said that Jesus, as a Jew from what is now northern Israel, may have been particular at risk to a fatal blood clot.
Thrombophilia, a rare condition in which blood has an increased tendency to clot, is common to natives of the Galilee, the researcher wrote.
© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.
Again, you show just HOW CLUELESS you are about what Calvinists really believe if you think it means do nothing.
You are really starting to get under my skin.
Oh, by the way, Mr. Reagan was Presbyterian.
That's pretty antedelluvian. Most monotheists understand the Book of Job to teach us that material blessings, or their lack, are not indicative of one's amount of faith.
SD
All I can assume by "them" is God fearing Christians.
So then am I to understand that if I don't believe
just exactly like you do then I am NOT a God
fearing Christian.
"Let's rejoice in fact instead of wallowing in conjecture"
I am seriously trying to understand your beliefs. Despite much sarcasm and rude behavior on this board, I am trying to seek the Truth. There can only be one Truth. Jesus wanted us to be one. “I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? 1 Cor 1:10-13
We cannot be one if everyone brings his own version of the Truth.
I'll try again. What do you believe would happen if one of the elect were not found?
What a stupid question actually.
It is simply IMPOSSIBLE for God's elect to not be found because God is sovereign and would not allow it.
NEXT!
NO SOUP FOR YOU.
Then what's the point? I'm either pre-saved by God or I'm not. Since there is nothing I can do about it, why should I care at all about God and his rules?
"Widen my mind" . . . . from a Calvinist.
Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! [dabs a tear]
Ohhh! That's rich!
You are the one with the narrow fixation on God's sovereignity. We believe He is big enough to grant us actual freedom, so that we can actually freely love Him.
You believe He is a puppetmaster. Unthwartable.
SD
Let's simplify the question a little--if God's plans can't be thwarted, then define sin.
God commands us to do it. That is all you need to know.
You need to read Romans 9...when Paul talked about this very topic he had the same objections (there is nothing new under the sun).
You know what he said? The gist is this: Who are you to question God, oh man?
Well, just who are you to question God's ways, Petronski?
Sigh.
Pick up a Bible and read it. I believe you can do that now.
When God's collective people are in faith, as a whole they prosper. When they sin, they are punished.
It's all through the OT. (that's the first 2/3rds)
I guess that explains why Jesus told the rich man, "go sell all that you have, give it to the poor, and follow me." For that matter, I suppose that explains why God decided to enter human history in a stable.
I am not convinced. You are reciting the same classic objection texts that have been thoroughly refuted by people far better than me.
You got it. If you convince yourself you are saved you can be self-satisfied because nothing you do matters. It you convince yourself you are damned you can despair because nothing you do matters.
Smugness or despair. What a system.
SD
The logical conclusion would be that God has pre-determined that some people will go to hell and there is nothing they can do about it.
I find that to be a pretty bleak view, IMO.
predestined to salvation through our free will?
That is so utterly silly it is hilarious.
Predestination is a sovereign decree. Look it up.
It could not be dependent upon our decision-making....PARTICULARLY SINCE WE ARE DEAD TO SIN AND OUR ONLY CHOICE WOULD BE DEATH!
Yes, thank you for the illustration. We believe in something called "the New Covenant." God became Incarnate and suffered. The simplistic idea that good people get material, temporal rewards and bad people get material, temporal punishments is disproved by opening your eyes.
SD
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