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Theresa Marie Schindler... May Daily Thread 2005 CALL TO ACTION: Our Fight for Justice Continues
Various Sources ^ | April 3, 2005 | floriduh voter

Posted on 04/03/2005 5:19:05 PM PDT by floriduh voter

Freeper friends, Terri's Memorial Service is this coming Tuesday night in Gulfport, Florida. Please check and see if www.baynews9.com will carry it on the internet.

I'm still sad and in disbelief that the rescue fell apart. It was on it's way. We were waiting there for ambulances but instead two Sheriff's cruisers arrived.

There's much work to do. There are many work groups here carrying on for Terri.

The April Daily Thread as before will be a meeting place, a news digest and even in the midst of sorrow, a place to make friends.

I want to thank everyone who did everything humanly possible for Terri and her family. Terri's safe now from a room with the blinds closed, strange people and armed guards. She'd still be here if it wasn't for judicial despots who it appears have never read the Declaration of Independence or the U.S. or Florida Constitution.

Freepers, Republicans and Democrats alike voted against Terri or didn't do enough to save her from Judge Greer.

I'd like to thank Ralph Nader, David Boies, Joe Lieberman and Wesley Smith, Phd, author of Forced Exit.

I have disdain for the Naughty Nine Republicans in the Florida Senate who vote "No" which barred Terri from legislative relief. The GOP House Members who voted "No" on Terri, shame on them too.

WHAT EXACTLY IS THE AGENDA AND WHO IS IN CHARGE? I'm afraid that Judge George Greer is in charge - of everything.

PLEASE HELP FLORIDA... CALL YOUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN.

HELP US. We feel stranded by tyranny today, but Florida is ripe for change. We will demand it together as Americans.

Thanks, FV


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To: AnimalLover
"By the way, I have resigned the Republican Party and am now a staunch Independent. I've had it with the Democrats and now the Republicans. With the way they have handled illegal immigration and how they all wimped out (except Tom Delay) in Terri's case - enough!!!"

Same here, over the same two issues. My efforts have helped Republicans get elected. Now they'll help third party candidates.
1,481 posted on 04/16/2005 9:26:51 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: blueriver
Do you know whether anyone ever tried to file for divorce on her behalf? I suspect that the law didn't allow anyone else to seek a divorce on her behalf and therefore the court couldn't grant a divorce. One of the biggest reforms that we need as a result of this situation is a law that would allow relatives to seek a divorce on behalf of someone in this situation.

Bill

1,482 posted on 04/16/2005 10:17:54 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: JeanS
Apparently the days of the tommy-gun blasting, drive-buy(no typo) shootings have graduated to a more sophisticated (in plan) method.

(key low-toned, dentist office muzak ... Eric Clapton's re-make ... I bought the sheriff)

1,483 posted on 04/17/2005 2:44:15 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Gimme
Death wins sort of thing. Greer is a monster. How can he be a Judge of people when he doesn't respect life?

Any decent Judge would have thrown MS out of the court room and handed Terri over to her parents the minute it was found out that MS was cheating on Terri. He didn't because he was either a very bad judge or he had a stake in some money or MS had something on him.

1,484 posted on 04/17/2005 4:42:13 AM PDT by blueriver
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To: WFTR
I am not sure if someone asked for a divorce - but the Shindlers did request that Micheal be removed as the guardian because he was with Jodi. Greer denied the request. That speaks volumes for what Greers opinion of Terri's rights were. Of all the people most responsible for this it was Greer. He acted in despicable ways. He not only should have removed Micheal as guardian but he should have given Terri an automatic divorce based on Michael adulterous relationship with Jodi. Had he done so none of this would have happened. Unfortunately that was the type of law the Fl Senate should have passed the first time her tube was removed. It would have been impossible to find that unconstitutional.
1,485 posted on 04/17/2005 4:56:20 AM PDT by blueriver
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To: danmar
so nice of you to drop by. Did you hear that Howard Dean will be beating "this dead horse" for the next big election?

Why are you people suddenly dropping by the running thread? That's my last reply to you. Over and out.

1,486 posted on 04/17/2005 6:40:14 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.theempirejournal.com Demand the Impeachment of Judge Greer...No More!!!!)
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To: Gimme
Greer doesn't respect any religion. Of the Ten Commandments (a protector of wards he is) said "I don't let the Ten Commandments in that room." Greer pointing to the courtroom.

Where does it say that a judge cannot have compassion or know right from wrong? But, Greer mocks religion. He worships at the feet of Senate President Jim King. Their religion is cold hard cash.

1,487 posted on 04/17/2005 6:42:56 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.theempirejournal.com Demand the Impeachment of Judge Greer...No More!!!!)
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To: JeanS
You are a newcomer on the Terri threads. You honed in on scoop1. It's funny how TEJ is doing a valuable service but some don't view it that way. If you came here to chip away at scoop1, that's your decision. This is my first and last post to you.

Florida Judges need major scrutiny and thanks to Judge Greer and Judge Baird and their pals in Tampa, Terri was starved and dehydrated to death. JUDICIAL HOMICIDE.

1,488 posted on 04/17/2005 6:50:12 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.theempirejournal.com Demand the Impeachment of Judge Greer...No More!!!!)
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To: All; Scoop 1; russesjunjee; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; phenn; pc93; EternalVigilance; ...

Lawmakers set out to determine Terri Schiavo's legislative legacy

Apr. 17, 2005
Samantha Gross, Associated Press

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - When word of Terri Schiavo's death arrived at the state House floor, Rep. Dennis Baxley told colleagues, "her death is not in vain."

Now Baxley and other lawmakers are working to make true on that promise, brainstorming legislation that would apply the lessons of her story. Even legislators who did not want the government to intervene to keep the brain-damaged woman alive say they'll work to prevent a tragedy like hers from happening again.

"There are some things that we could do and possibly should do," said Sen. Jim King, one of the nine Republicans who helped block a measure aimed at keeping Schiavo alive. King now says he's considering proposing legislation next year stemming from the case.

The story of the once-shy woman, who died last month in the glare of a national spotlight on right-to-die issues, captivated lawmakers and citizens - in part because it was so ripe for speculation.

Some said that Terri Schiavo's interests were overshadowed by the escalating acrimony between her husband and parents. Others worried that Michael Schiavo's battle to have his wife's feeding tube removed might have been influenced by money or by a desire to marry another woman with whom he has two children. He insisted he would not benefit financially from his wife's death and said he remained a loyal husband.

Accusations flew that the courts, which rejected the appeals of Bob and Mary Schindler to keep their daughter alive, had somehow missed vital evidence. And some argued that food and water, even when provided through a tube, should be standard as the most basic of care.

Everyone could agree on one thing: It all might have been prevented if the 26-year-old Terri Schiavo had had a living will in 1990 when she collapsed from a chemical imbalance.

Now lawmakers say they will propose measures to fill in those gaps - where they say Florida law was unprepared to cope with the specifics of the brain-damaged woman's case.

Proposals vary widely - from helping more people write living wills to changing guardianship laws to prevent adulterers from controlling the fate of their incapacitated spouses. Most are still in the formative stages, with many saying it's best to wait until next year to take the ideas to the Legislature.

"That shouldn't be done during this session," said Gov. Jeb Bush. "I think we need to move on, let the wounds heal, and focus on reconciliation, and do this in a thoughtful way."

Bush and others have said they're interested in limiting the power of guardians who have a conflict of interest.

Sen. Ron Klein, D-Delray Beach, praised the sentiment but cautioned such a change could interfere with the sanctity of marriage.

"If my wife and I both have insurance policies, and I am in a persistent vegetative state ... is she in a conflict of interest as my guardian because she gets the insurance money?" he asked.

Others say that those facing a life-and-death decision should automatically be appointed a guardian by the courts.

"We need to make clear that people in that situation have an individual right to counsel," said Rep. John Stargel, R-Lakeland.

Baxley, who led House efforts to keep Schiavo alive, also questioned whether such significant decisions should be left to a single judge, and brought up the possibility of imposing term limits on judges.

"I never knew that a judge could order someone dead," he said.

Stargel said that a more attainable change might be to establish a state ombudsman, who oversees the courts for the executive branch.

Baxley, R-Ocala, also still hopes to make food and water, even when provided artificially, the default treatment for incapacitated patients who did not leave specific instructions. During the battle over Schiavo's care, he and others accused the state of institutionalized starvation.

A less controversial approach would encourage more Floridians to put their end-of-life wishes in writing. One bill (HB 1345) already moving through House committees would require state Division of Motor Vehicles offices to offer sample living wills, and allow residents to indicate on their driver's licenses whether they have such an advance directive.

"We need to find some venues in which people are made aware of the importance of advance directives," said King, R-Jacksonville, who also suggested couples applying for marriage licenses be offered the opportunity to file their written wishes with the state.

Lawmakers including Klein said they might push for an online registry for the documents. Klein says his grandmother was kept alive for years in a persistent vegetative state because her family couldn't find her living will.

A program recently offered by the state of Arizona is expected to cost just $60,000 per year, all covered by private donations and grants.

Bush says he wants to offer citizens some sort of incentive to put their wishes in writing.

"The answer to this is that we don't count on government to be the arbiter, or count on the courts to do that. This is really our responsibility for the people that we love," he said.

Legislators should be careful to consider broad issues rather than the facts of a single case, said Barbara Bennett Woodhouse, director of the Center on Children and Families at the University of Florida.

"To change the law for every case that comes in the future because of one case that some people felt was wrongly decided would add so many extra expenses," she said.

But Baxley said it was the responsibility of lawmakers to respond to the questions raised by Terri Schiavo's story.

"I respect the courts," he said. "They can only act on the laws we give them."

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/11418847.htm

ON THE NET

Florida Legislature: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/


1,489 posted on 04/17/2005 8:05:14 AM PDT by amdgmary (Please visit www.terrisfight.org and www.theempirejournal.com)
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To: amdgmary

If you look in the dictionary under 'hypcrite', Senator Jim King's picture is there.

Really...


1,490 posted on 04/17/2005 8:23:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Quality of life' is another name for the slippery slope into barbarism.)
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To: amdgmary

I hope and pray her death is NOT in vain!


1,491 posted on 04/17/2005 8:26:19 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!)
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To: TAdams8591
Absolutely!

I am forever forever changed by Terri's fight to live. Forever. For real.

I still have to fight a shadow of heaviness, like a depressive weight, that creeps upon my heart and soul when I think of her and what schiavo ( a name that will ALWAYS bring to mind a genuine monster, a murderer, he, his brother and sister-in-law and the rest of the dirty clan of scumbags), felos, greer and the Florida legislature did to kill her off....

Every sadness, frustration, shock, anger, hurt, impotence, betrayal and loss that the Schindler family had to endure is what, imo, I believe will happen to these people.

God is very, very AWESOME.

And altho He gave us all free will, and the great love that it takes to offer it, I am as certain as I am sitting her typing this, that He expects us to use it with great love and kindness.

When that is betrayed, well, "vengence is Mine", sayeth our Lord.

This is not over.

1,492 posted on 04/17/2005 8:44:19 AM PDT by Republic (Our Father in Heaven touched the Pope, who KNEW of Terri, Terri got her mass, VATICAN STYLE!)
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To: floriduh voter
Ok.

We need timelines of investigations.

We need to KNOW if ANY were completed (including the examination of Terri)

Are there any public records of DCF investigations since the taxpayers of florida pay for the service.

We need to know how to contact Labelle.We need to help expose the summaries...this HUGE LIE.

I want to help.

1,493 posted on 04/17/2005 8:47:45 AM PDT by Republic (Our Father in Heaven touched the Pope, who KNEW of Terri, Terri got her mass, VATICAN STYLE!)
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To: Republic
"This is not over."

NO. They will pay for the evil they wrought and in the way you suggest. Either in this world, and/or the next.

On Judgement Day, God will show them the pain and suffering they forced upon Terri, the Schindlers and the rest of us, and they will be roundly and summarily punished and the suffering they thrust upon everyone else, will be FORCED upon them.

I can't wait! = )

1,494 posted on 04/17/2005 9:04:34 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!)
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To: WFTR
"Even if he didn't cause her health problems; even if he truly believed that Terri was gone and that he was released to pursue other relationships because the "death do us part" phrase in the marriage vow had happened, he shouldn't have continued as Terri's guardian."

Precisely!

1,495 posted on 04/17/2005 9:08:35 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!)
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To: blueriver
I agree completely about the legislature passing that law when the issue first arose. It was obvious that Greer didn't want to do the right thing for Terri, but I don't know whether the law allowed him simply to dissolve the marriage. Not being able to dissolve the marriage shouldn't have kept him from appointing another guardian. If the Florida legislature had passed that law letting her parents sue for a divorce on her behalf, then the whole situation might have been changed. One of the best things would have been if the divorce proceedings had been assigned to another judge. That would have been the beginning of an opportunity to extract her from under the power of Greer and Michael Schiavo.

Bill

1,496 posted on 04/17/2005 9:09:17 AM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: WFTR

Her guardian would've had to file for divorce. Regardless of the angle from which one views poor Terri's circumstances, she was in a catch-22 situation.


1,497 posted on 04/17/2005 9:15:00 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!)
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To: floriduh voter; russesjunjee; eeevil conservative; EternalVigilance
The card is from Terri's funeral Mass on April 5th.


1,498 posted on 04/17/2005 9:24:15 AM PDT by amdgmary (Please visit www.terrisfight.org and www.theempirejournal.com)
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To: PhilDragoo

"Sunlight is harmful to the evil, beneficial to the good."

I LIKE that.


1,499 posted on 04/17/2005 10:09:27 AM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: Wampus SC

"The Dem's and GOP might as well go ahead and announce the merger."

You know, too often it does seem that way.

However, there are a few good guys in the Republican Party, but those few just can't do it alone.


1,500 posted on 04/17/2005 10:20:57 AM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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