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Schiavo Appeal Has Been Filed
Fox News

Posted on 03/22/2005 6:13:43 AM PST by sonsofliberty2000

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clausvonschiavo; deathocrats; dothewillofgod; euthanasia; godhelpus; goodforgopin06; governmentinstrusion; judicaltyranny; judicialcoup; medicalmurder; meninblack; parentsrights; politcalgain; schiavo; t4; terri; terrischiavo
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To: MineralMan
It depends where you are. In most states, the next of kin can cancel life support after consultation with the physician. It happens every day. A young person is in a car accident and is brain dead. Parents have to make a decision about maintaining their body in a lifelike state. Most decide to let the son or daughter die and remove the life support. Same with parents. Every day, in hospitals all over this country, children make decisions about life support for their parents, whether there's a living will or not. Surely you know this.

The subject isn't brain dead people. It is PVS (and as you know, that diagnosis is contested .. but even if it was not), and the law is different then. As far as I know, the law looks for an Advance Directive from the living patient. THis is different from looking for the advanced directive of a brain dead patient.

So, do you have a cite for the proposition that somebody other than the PATIENT has a legal right to decide, when the PATIENT is in PVS? I understand that state laws may differ on that point. State law in Florida give the power (to decide) to the PATIENT and NOBODY ELSE.

1,401 posted on 03/22/2005 1:52:15 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: ContemptofCourt
You have posted links to Greer's rulings. Where is the link to the appellate courts ruling based on what you claim?
1,402 posted on 03/22/2005 1:53:19 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Proud Member of the Reagan Republicans)
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To: syriacus
If you can't speak well, and can't focus, or maintain eye contact consistently, you can be put to death.

Isn't that the same TESTING used on DRUNKS at POLICE STOPS???????

1,403 posted on 03/22/2005 1:53:27 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Saundra Duffy
Precious Heavenly Father - We beseech Thee to save our little sister, Theresa Marie Schiavo - in the Name of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Master - Amen.

Amen.

Ps 90:13 Return, O Lord, how long? and be entreated in favour of thy servants.

1,404 posted on 03/22/2005 1:53:31 PM PST by syriacus (Why is Michael Schiavo trying to "end the misery" of a woman he says can't think or feel?)
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To: Boardwalk

Sad. I wonder how many years before murder is globally legal.


1,405 posted on 03/22/2005 1:53:32 PM PST by atruelady (Life Support...the OTHER , other white meat.)
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To: AaronInCarolina
Terri has had three GALs over the years. Here is the report of the last one.

Wolfson Report

1,406 posted on 03/22/2005 1:54:40 PM PST by ContraryMary
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To: Fitzcarraldo

Here's the link to the site where I found the images. You can read the various comments there:

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/03/20/regarding-the-cat-scan-of-terri-schiavos-brain/


1,407 posted on 03/22/2005 1:54:41 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
I already posted it in this thread.

Regardless, since you are too lazy to go find it, here it is again.

http://www.2dca.org/opinion/June%2006,%202003/2D02-5394.pdf

1,408 posted on 03/22/2005 1:55:10 PM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: MineralMan
If Terri is already dead, as Michael keeps insisting, why is he working so hard to kill her?

Why not give her "dead" body to her parents and let them care for her?

1,409 posted on 03/22/2005 1:55:49 PM PST by syriacus (Why is Michael Schiavo trying to "end the misery" of a woman he says can't think or feel?)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

"Could you post a link to the supporting documentation? If the cross sections were performed at different radii, this is not a meaningful comparison."

At any level, this image is one of a very bad brain. But, do go to the link and explore further. I didn't follow this image back to it's original source, but I'm sure it's doable on Google. I have not seen any dispute that this is actually Terri's scan, though.


1,410 posted on 03/22/2005 1:56:13 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: UCANSEE2

In the end I don't think it really matters. It's just one more thing to argue about.


1,411 posted on 03/22/2005 1:56:19 PM PST by ContraryMary
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To: winstonchurchill
The court does not feel that statements made by her at the age of 11 or 12 years truly reflect upon her intention regarding the situation at hand.

From my reading of Judge Greers paraphrasing of the proceedings, Mrs. Schindler first testified that Terri had made the comments when she was around 17 (not 11 or 12). It was Schiavo's attornies that twisted her around and got her to admit that it must have been when she was 11 or 12 because that was when the Karen Ann Quinlan case happened. This came about because Mrs. Schindler said she thought it was sparked by a TV news report about the event. Schiavo's attornies quickly pounced and pointed out that if it was TV news reporting it must have been contemporaneous and therefore the date had to be when the event occurred as opposed to later. What may have occurred is that a re-run of the movie sparked the comment, but Mrs. Schindler was careless about saying it may have been a TV News report. For this, her account was run NOT CREDIBLE because after Schiavo's attornies got her to fix a date when Terri was only 11 or 12, the judge ruled that she was too young to make a important decision like that.
1,412 posted on 03/22/2005 1:56:40 PM PST by AaronInCarolina
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To: MineralMan

Do you know anything about diagnostic radiology? The image you've shown on the left confirms the fact that Terri Schiavo has cerebral cortex. You understand that, right?


1,413 posted on 03/22/2005 1:57:26 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: winstonchurchill

Talk about shame... are you saying the parents upon becoming guardians would have instituted a no ressucitate order and deny therapy and then starve her to death?
You conclusion in this post is unsubstantiated.If anything their actions deny your claim on its face.


1,414 posted on 03/22/2005 1:57:41 PM PST by northernlightsII
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To: northernlightsII
Stop the spin with the 19 judges,everybody here knows that the appellate judges did not retry the facts.

Ah, but they do review the appellate transcript of testimony on appeal to insure that every element of the holdings of the trial court are supported by some evidence in the record. What they don't do is reweigh it. What they do do is make sure there is some evidence to support every element of the conclusion. Done quite a few of those puppies in my time.

A vested interest does not have to be monetary,by the way.(how pedestrian). Maybe you're really a right to die right to kill proponent.

Oh, I see what you mean. I am 'vested' with my belief in the correctness of the decision. I thought you meant 'vested' as in 'endow with particular property'. I feel better now.

What am i saying... you are.

That one went right by me.

Greer is a sadist, no one can dictate such living conditions as he has imposed on that poor woman. And all the world is starting to find out how far Greer and Schiavo have conspired to cause grievous injury to Terri.

Right. Check the mirror though. Your tinfoil hat is slightly askew.

1,415 posted on 03/22/2005 1:58:03 PM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: UCANSEE2

Isn't that the same TESTING used on DRUNKS at POLICE STOPS???????

From what I understand they are also cracking down on this now so that if the cops suspect you of driving under the influence you are automatically considered an alcoholic until you can prove otherwise...therapy, AA meetings and the whole nine yards, until such point as you can prove you are not an alcoholic will you get a license back. It's no longer about the commitment to not drink and drive, rather there is movement for no drinking period if you want to drive again.


1,416 posted on 03/22/2005 1:58:30 PM PST by Boardwalk
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To: atruelady
I wonder how many years before murder is globally legal.

If you mean that in the techical sense, NEVER.

WHY? Because, the people who make law, or rule on the law, aren't bothered when it affects you and me.

BUT, they will not allow you to use those laws to freely KILL THEM. They will have special protections, interpretations, etc.

WHY DO YOU THINK WE have to pay into Social Security and be satisfied with the trickle back you get when you retire, and the LAWMAKERS DO NOT?

1,417 posted on 03/22/2005 1:58:30 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: northernlightsII
He won't be married in a catholic church,not after the Vatican came out publicly against the Killing of Terri. The Anglican church may give him a parade however.Surely the gay bishop will oblige.

Sounds like a picture from some fairy tale book.

Did you ever read the original ending to Cinderella? Birds pluck out her evil step-sister's eyes.

1,418 posted on 03/22/2005 1:58:40 PM PST by syriacus (Why is Michael Schiavo trying to "end the misery" of a woman he says can't think or feel?)
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To: MineralMan
"OK. I don't perceive the problem."

Gratis.

"But what does that have to do with whether the Pope will be maintained on life support?"

What a tracheotomy was referred to just 20 years ago. Learn a little. And try not to revel in your ignorace.

1,419 posted on 03/22/2005 1:58:43 PM PST by StAnDeliver (Michael Schiavo remains married to Terri Schiavo only for the purpose of ending her life.)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

Greers rulings are all that matter to most of the ones that are eagerly awaiting Terris' death.

According to reports, it shouldn't take much longer.


1,420 posted on 03/22/2005 1:59:04 PM PST by Jrabbit
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