TERRI SCHIAVO DAILY MARCH 2005 PART 3, PLEASE STICK WITH US, WE'RE HALFWAY THERE...

various ^ | 3/21/05 | various

[Ohioan from Florida]

Continuation of Terri Schiavo daily March threads. Due to overwhelming participation we reached over 5000 posts in three days time!

[Future Useless Eater]

I think the picture with a virus was posted twice, and deleted in both cases.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Rush's quoting a long clip of Barney Frank. [Yeah, let Barney Frank speak for them.-- more not less IMHO] Then, of course, he picked apart 'Mr. Brilliant', Barney Frank's remarks.

[Pegita]

Heavenly Father, we return to thank You that You have impressed our hearts for so long to pray for that one Judge who will rule righteously and well. We continue to lift our hearts and prayers before the Throne of Grace, that You will vindicate the love of this family for their wounded one. May those who seek her death, repent, and if they do not repent, may they relent, and if they do not relent, sweep them away, O God, never to return. In the Name of Jesus, we pray, Amen ...

[TAdams8591]

It's not Praegar but a guest host who had Barbara Weller on (one of Terri's current attornys). Barbara was excellent and also recounted the story of Terri attempting to say she wants to live.

[amdgmary]

Both sides in battle over brain-damaged woman await judge's ruling

Associated Press 03/21/05 - updated 12:15 p.m.

PINELLAS PARK - The parents of Terri Schiavo asked a judge to reinsert the brain-damaged woman's feeding tube Monday, following an extraordinary political fight that consumed both chambers of Congress and prompted the president to rush back to the White House.

An attorney for Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, arrived at federal district court in Tampa and filed a request for an emergency injunction to keep their daughter fed.

It was assigned to U.S. District Judge James Whittemore, who was nominated to the court in 1999 by President Clinton. He set a hearing for Monday afternoon, according to a court Web site.

David Gibbs II, attorney for the parents, said the judge had sent a message saying he was reviewing the filings in the case.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta issued an order saying it would not intervene before Whittemore had a chance to consider the case. The Atlanta court had been asked to consider issuing the injunction under an appeal brought by the Schindlers on Friday.

Earlier Monday, the House, following a move by the Senate, passed a bill to let the parents ask a federal judge to prolong Schiavo's life by reinserting her feeding tube. President Bush signed the measure less than an hour later.

Schiavo's husband, Michael Schiavo, said he was outraged that lawmakers and the president were intervening in the contentious right-to-die battle. He has fought for years with his wife's parents over whether she should be permitted to die or kept alive through the feeding tube.

"This is a sad day for Terri. But I'll tell you what: It's also is a sad day for everyone in this country because the United States government is going to come in and trample all over your personal, family matters," he told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Monday.

Michael Schiavo has not responded to repeated interview requests from The Associated Press.

The lawsuit alleges a series of rights violations, including that Terri Schiavo's religious beliefs were being infringed upon, that the removal of the feeding tube violated her rights and that she was not provided an independent attorney to represent her interests.

Outside the hospice where his daughter entered her fourth day without food or water, Bob Schindler told reporters "I'm numb, I'm just totally numb. This whole thing, it's hard to believe it."

A shout of joy was heard from the crowd outside the hospice when news of the House bill's passage came. Among those cheering was David Bayly, 45, of Toledo, Ohio: "I'm overjoyed to see the vote and see Terri's life extended by whatever amount God gives her."

Only a few protesters milled about outside the hospice Monday morning in the hours leading up to the federal court hearing; some said they were leaving to get some sleep and planned to return in the afternoon. A few people appeared outside the Tampa courthouse, saying they were praying for Whittemore.

The 41-year-old woman's feeding tube was removed Friday on a Florida judge's order. Schiavo could linger for one or two weeks if the tube is not reinserted -- as has happened twice before, once on a judge's order and once after Gov. Jeb Bush signed "Terri's Law," which was later declared unconstitutional.

George Felos, a lawyer for Michael Schiavo, did not return repeated phone messages seeking comment Monday. The voicemail box of George Greer, the Florida circuit judge who presides over the case, was full and didn't accept messages.

Terri Schiavo suffered brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped briefly because of a possible potassium imbalance brought on by an eating disorder. She can breathe on her own, but has relied on the feeding tube to keep her alive.

Court-appointed doctors say she is in a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovery. Her husband says she would not want to be kept alive in that condition, but her parents insist she could recover with treatment.

Bob Schindler visited his daughter late Sunday and said he noticed the effects of dehydration on her. He said she appeared to be getting tired, but eventually responded to his teasing by making a face at him.

"It tells us she's still with us," he said.

Brian Schiavo, Michael's brother, said he spent Sunday afternoon with his brother and Terri at the hospice, but Terri did not move or make any noises. "Anybody that thinks that she talks and responds, they need to have a mental health examination," he said.

The bill passed in Congress applies only to Schiavo and would allow a federal court to review the case. The House passed the bill on a 203-58 vote after calling lawmakers back for an emergency Sunday session.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., argued passionately against the bill on the House floor. She told NBC's "Today" show early Monday that "we thumbed our nose at the Constitution last night ... and it's just wrong."

The Senate approved the bill Sunday by voice vote. President Bush cut short a visit to his Texas ranch to return to the White House.

"In cases like this one, where there are serious questions and substantial doubts, our society, our laws and our courts should have a presumption in favor of life," President Bush said in a statement after signing the bill.

The president's brother praised the actions of Congress.

"We in government have a duty to protect the weak, disabled and vulnerable," Gov. Bush said in a statement Monday. "I appreciate the efforts of state and federal lawmakers on both sides of the aisle who have taken this duty to heart."

http://www.tampabaylive.com/stories/2005/03/050321schiavo.shtml

[amdgmary]

Who's side is Rush on? Terri's or Michael's?

[syriacus]

1. One minute -- the Death-to-Terri folks are arguing that Congress shouldn't get involved because this is a personal matter.
2. The next minute -- the Death-to-Terri folks are arguing that Congress shouldn't get involved because this is a judicial matter.

Sounds like they lack a solid argument against Congressional involvement.

[Dave S]

Dave S. started this thread on 10/27/2003

Would you have been so offended if I had added "BARF" to the title. Those quotes were from the article, not from me, although I probably was sympathetic with some of them. I think its bad public policy for the Congress to be meddling in these cases.

[tuckrdout]

Are you a Christian who can judge the actions of followers of Jesus Christ?

Well, you must not read the Bible. Our Lord Jesus called the false deceptive religious leaders of his day, "sons of the devil"; "thieves" and "hypocrits".

Nothing wrong with looking at the actions of a person and describing what they are. Christ told us that we can tell what type of 'tree' we have by the fruit on the vine, and a tree that produces good fruit, can not produce the deadly kind.

Greer has produced deadly fruit in this case, and in another case where a woman came to him seeking protection from her abusive husband. That woman is dead, because of his refusal to protect the woman!

Greer refuses to protect woman from abusive husbands.

[STARWISE]

I'm hunting:

Can't find any connection to Pinellas Cty. According to what I've found, he's been in Hillsborough Cty.

Judicial Page

For background - his comments in another case:

Quote from Whittemore re case

"Gerald Payne, 65, waved feebly to supporters as he was led out of the courtroom where U.S. District Judge James Whittemore handed down the sentence and chastised him as a "wolf in sheep's clothing."

"The fact that you used the world of God to perpetuate a fraud is absolutely despicable," Whittemore told Payne, who has suffered four strokes while in prison.

"You know and I know there are some Bible passages that address people who use the word of God to commit crimes. You are going to have plenty of time to study those passages."

An exasperated Whittemore then turned his attention toward Betty Payne, 61. Initially, the judge took about three years off her sentence after agreeing with defense arguments that Betty Payne had a lesser role in the scheme.

But Whittemore soon added a year back to the sentence when the 61-year-old woman parroted her husband's written statement protesting his innocence and claiming their rights had been violated in their 1999 arrest and conviction earlier this year.

"It's one thing to have blind faith, it's another to cast your self as a martyr for no apparent good," Whittemore told Betty Payne. "You have only yourself to blame. You're the one who got involved in this."

Gerald and Betty Payne founded Greater Ministries, an organization which fed the homeless and supported overseas missionaries more than a decade ago. Along with the prayers came investment programs that promised believers could double their money. Millions in cash flowed in to the church's Tampa headquarters.

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Whittemore- 3rd from left

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Verdict Search

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Background - comment he made in the Baptist minister's trial:

You are not an honest person

TAMPA -- Bernice Edwards came to court Friday with her hair coifed and her story well-rehearsed.

She left in handcuffs, returning to prison to serve nine months for violating terms of her probation.

"You are not an honest person," U.S. District Court Judge James D. Whittemore told Edwards, one-time aide to the now-imprisoned Rev. Henry Lyons and the former publicist for the National Baptist Convention USA.

[Ohioan from Florida]

Rush is on Terri's side.

[Sea2ShiningSea]

I know God Loves His people. He is in control of everything and I just have to calm my own heart!

This is what I keep telling myself. Sort of like the election .... we had to DESERVE the right outcome by the good people voting and working hard for the right outcome. I am so heartened by our lawmakers and for many, many people who care about Terri. I believe there would be more of an outpouring if people really knew the specifics of the case. I feel we really have to pray for this judge now that the blinders are taken from his eyes and that is heart is softened. And ... of course, pray for Terri to be sustained. I have to beleive that God's will is being carried out. Good will trump evil! I just hope it is sooner rather than later!

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

You Betcha! We'll learn more about Whittemore. This clinton appointee is failing a US citizen, letting her die. I'm not surprised. Some of us have more time than others, and more research sources. Some can even run complete news clipping checks through. Drudge has a HUGE research area.

Like most, my favorite is...

http://google.com

And go straight for the advanced search. Or check out my profile. [I have a search page link there that's my own custom made home page.] Either way. FReegards....

[Dave S]

Our Lord Jesus called the false deceptive religious leaders of his day, "sons of the devil"; "thieves" and "hypocrits".

So you equate yourself with God? Gee I didnt know. So that is why you can read minds and know the intent behind decisions. Must be he's been paid off, otherwise he would agree with me. All a big Satantic conconspiracy. BS

[Ohioan from Florida]

Thanks for providing that!

[tuckrdout]

You know, I saw a video yesterday where the Schindlars were banned. They cops stopped them from going in. What happened then? I saw them enter last night after the congress passed the law.

[amdgmary]

"Rush is on Terri's side."

Good!

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Rush is Life all the way, part of the Vast Life-Wing Conspiracy. FReegards....

[FR_addict]

"Would you have been so offended if I had added "BARF" to the title. Those quotes were from the article, not from me, although I probably was sympathetic with some of them. I think its bad public policy for the Congress to be meddling in these cases."

You didn't issue a barf alert.

Plus you never said you disagreed with the article after posting it back on 10/27/2003.

As you say above, you are "sympathetic" to some of the quotes in the article.

The article begins like this:

"Sometime in the third week of October, Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman who's at the center of a nasty battle over the right to die, ceased to be a person. She has instead become a political symbol, which may be a fate worse than death."

This is a human being, who lights up when her mother comes into the room, who laughs at her father's jokes, and who tries to speak, not a political statement.

[FR_addict]

They were kept out for 4 hours by the evil one.