TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!

Praying that everything will be Allright with your sweet dog, Freepertoo!

(((((Freepertoo)))))

"THIS TO ME IS ALSO A WOMEN'S ISSUE. MEN ON WOMEN CRIME."

Very Much Agreed. You remember when Dr. Death first began his killing spree. His first four or five victims were women. He was accused of being a woman-hater. Then Gavorkian(Sp?) made sure his next victim was a man to disspell that notion.

Another prominent Euthanist, a member of THE HEMLOCK SOCIETY, wrote a book about Euthanasia (I can't recall the title)at THAT time. He had euthanized his first two wives.

GREER is helping Michael to cover up his orginal crime and all his abuse and crimes against Terri, since.

fun ideas, but beyond my abilities with crude tools

The original post to which you responded was part of a discussion regarding why Michael might want Terri dead. No one involved in that discussion, including myself, was calling for an investigation into those reasons NOW, though most everyone on these threads believes it is that Terri would expose the fact he tried to kill her on the night she "collapsed."

Nor did anyone suggest we get distracted from what is important in the present. What you tuned into was a passing conversation, and not one upon which posters were intensely focused.

As I said in my previous post what happened the night Terri collapsed cannot be IGNORED. At some point, there should be an investigation. No one is calling for the investigation to occur at this very moment, because we are all aware the one issue, saving Terri from being starved AGAIN, is IMPERATIVE and takes FIRST PRIORITY at this time.

I do not know the statute of limitations for attempted murder in Florida and haven't time to research it presently.

The biggest distraction I have had on this thread to date, is my conversation with you. Had I been calling for people to make phone calls NOW, regarding the issue you raised, I could understand your attention to it. Since that simply was not the case (and a review of my posts proves it), I find it odd that you chose to make such a big deal of it.

Good luck on your friend's test. Been there, done that.
Four times in the last 3 years but I would do it all over
again.

Will pray for both of you - especially to St. Francis of
Assisi the patron of animals!

I just came across an old post from you where you posted this link to a video of Terri. I haven't seen it in a long time, and maybe others haven't either.

http://www.tomeaker.com/ts/terri-cable.mov

bttt

Does anyone know if Michael is in debt to Felos or one of Felos' chichi friends?

Perhaps Michael took out a loan from one of them at some point, and liberating him from the debt would make him more willing to free Terri.

post #1326 is very god.....and informative, Yes, we should flood the IRS with these questions.

Is there a email addy to uae?

NURSES ASSERT THAT SCHIAVO WOMAN, SET TO HAVE FEEDING STOPPED, HAS SPOKEN WORDS SUCH AS 'HI,' 'MOMMA,' AND 'HELP ME'

by Michael Brown http://www.spiritdaily.com/schiavoalert.htm

Nurses who tended to Terri Schiavo -- the Florida woman whose feeding and water tubes may soon be removed -- have stated in affidavits provided by her family that the 41-year-old has exhibited clear-cut behavior indicating she is conscious and aware of her surroundings.

In stunning testimony, one nurse, Heidi Law, a certified nursing assistant who took care of Terri when she was at Palm Gardens Nursing Home in Largo, Florida, in 1997, said that the severely disabled woman formed words such as "mommy, "momma," and most hauntingly, "help me."

"While it is true that those patients will flinch or make sounds occasionally, they don't do it as a reaction to someone on a constant basis who is taking care of them, the way I saw Terri do," claimed Law in a formal deposition. "I witnessed a priest visiting Terri a couple of times. Terri would become quiet when he prayed with her. She couldn't bow her head because of her stiff neck, but she would still try. During the prayer, she would keep her eyes closed, opening them afterward. She laughed at jokes he told her. I definitely know that Terri 'is in there.'"

The testimony, contained in affidavits provided to Spirit Daily by her family, the Schindlers, who are desperately attempting to prevent her death, contradicts widespread perceptions that Terri is a nearly brain-dead or comatose woman living in a vegetative state. In fact, by some indications the woman may have greatly improved had she been provided adequate therapy.

"I have heard her say 'mommy' from time to time, and 'momma,' and she also said 'help me' a number of times. She would frequently make noises like she was trying to talk," said Law.

That the disabled woman acknowledges the presence of her parents, responds to music, and follows the movement of objects such as a balloon has long been known and documented by videos [click here]; and the affidavits have appeared on advocacy websites. Indeed, the caretakers have testified that Terri seemed to stare out her window as if waiting for her mother -- not only denied therapy, but also in a small room with a radio that her husband allowed to be left on only a single station.

But that she actually formed words is attested by a second caretaker, Carla Sauer Iyer, a registered nurse who was at Palm Garden from 1995 to 1997.

"Terri's medical condition was systematically distorted and misrepresented," stated Iyer in her own affidavit for the family -- testimony that was not allowed into court by a judge who has consistently ruled against the Schindlers. "When I worked with her, she was alert and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as 'mommy' and 'help me.' 'Help me' was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times. Terri would try to say the word 'pain' when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like 'pay.' When I came into her room and said 'Hi, Terri,' she would always recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way toward me, saying, 'Haaaiiiii,' sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a 'hi,' which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound being only a second or two long. When I told her stories about my life, or something I read in the paper, Terri would sometimes chuckle, sometimes more a giggle or laugh."

The nurses said the Schiavo woman was often silent for hours and in a "cold sweat" after her husband visited. It was her husband Michael -- now living with a woman by whom he has had two children -- who the nurses said limited her rehabilitation and allegedly "intimidated" staff at the nursing home -- charges that, if true, warrant a major investigation. (Let us emphasize that thus far they are just that: allegations.)

"I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart," claimed Iyer in potentially devastating detail. "Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri's, someone would remove it after my shift ended. Michael always demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in her room with him."

Schiavo, they assert, was denied rehabilitation even though there was evidence that at times she could swallow on her own. "I personally saw her swallow the ice water and never saw her gag," said Law. "On three or four occasions I personally fed Terri mouthfuls of Jello, which she was able to swallow and enjoyed immensely. I did not do it more often only because I was afraid of being caught by Michael."

The affidavits, it must be underscored, were conducted in 2003 on behalf of the Schindlers, and as such are in the category of advocacy for their position. Moreover, other nurses who tended to Terri have not yet been fully debriefed in public. Some experts have asserted that Terri's responses are not coordinated ones but nearly instinctual or reflex-like, indicating no real awareness.

But the facts as presented in the affidavits indicate quite differently -- if the testimony is correct, shockingly so. The two nurses portray Terri as a woman who adores baths, liked having her hair combed, and enjoyed a sweet-smelling lotion and soft nightgowns her mother provided.

"Every day, Terri was gotten up after lunch and sat in a chair all afternoon," said Law. "When Terri was in bed, she very much preferred to lie on her right side and look out the window. We always said that she was watching for her mother. It was very obvious that her mother was her favorite person in the whole world."

It is now her parents and siblings who are desperately fighting to prevent her husband from "pulling the plug" on feeding and hydration tubes, which could occur as soon as this month if the Schindlers do not win court victories. So far, judicial decisions have been baffling, with little consideration to Schiavo's state when an actual appearance by the woman might be all that is necessary to display her true condition. Thus far, only the actions of Governor Jeb Bush and the Schindler lawyers have prevented her death. But last week a Pinellas County judge turned down a request to set aside his order allowing Terri's feeding tube be removed, closing yet another legal avenue to her parents in their quest to keep her alive.

Instead of rehabilitation, a "do not resuscitate" sign has been hung on her door. The woman has been denied Holy Communion and Mass attendance, her father told Spirit Daily two weeks ago.

Iyer claims that she "became fearful for my personal safety" and was terminated after she called police about comments and activities at the nursing home relative to the Schiavo woman. "When Michael visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the door closed and locked while he was with Terri," the affidavit alleges. "He would typically be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would be trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction, so I'd check her blood sugar." The glucometer reading would be so low it was below the range where it would register an actual number reading. I would put dextrose in Terri's mouth to counteract it. This happened about five times on my shift as I recall. Normally Terri's blood-sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet through tube feeding."

Added Law, the nursing assistant, "When she was upset, which was usually the case after Michael was there, she would withdraw for hours... Several times when Michael visited during my shift, he went into her room alone and closed the door. When he left, Terri was very agitated, was extremely tense with tightened fists, and sometimes had a cold sweat. She was much less responsive than usual and would just stare out the window, her eyes kind of glassy."

OK, I'll embarass myself and ask this out loud! Exactly what is involved in the blogburst? What does one do to participate?

Found this on the website for Tampa Bay Independent Media Center:

Judge George Greer, wrong choice to fix problems with Florida's 6th Circuit
1/6/2005 by Wesley Fager

Judge George W. Greer is challenging incumbent Chief Judge David A. Demers for top judge on Florida's Sixth Circuit. In 1992 St. Petersburg Times staff writer Jon East wrote an article about George Greer's first run for a circuit judgeship and titled it Electing judges is a farce. He noted that Greer's only credentials were his well-publicized name as a two-term county commissioner and his "healthy campaign bank account." George Greer had been a zoning lawyer before becoming a county commissioner and had raised his substantial war chest for that run from "developers, contractors, law firms and investment companies." I do not believe Judge Greer is the best choice for chief judge. The election of the chief judge for the 6th Circuit is the most important selection of a chief judge in all the Florida circuits because of the plethora of bad national press that circuit has received of late. So before stating what's wrong with Judge Greer, I should first state what's wrong with the 6th Circuit.

The skinny on Florida's royal court. In 2002 the Columbia Law School released a study finding that the 6th Circuit leads the nation with an 89% error rate of death sentences. This means that Pinellas County Florida is more likely than any other county in the land to send an innocent man to death. Former 6th Circuit Chief Justice Susan Schaeffer was part of that court before she retired. She personally sentenced so many people to their death (8) that she is known as "Ms. Death." She even wrote a handbook on how to sentence people to death which is required reading for all circuit judges in the state. In 2003 The Reader's Digest named Judge Charles W. Cope as one of the worst judges in the land after he tried to break into the motel room of a woman. Yet Chief Judge Schaeffer stood by him during his tribulations publicly declaring, "He has one of the best work ethics of all our circuit judges." The 6th Circuit's current Chief Justice David A. Demers was another Cope enabler. In 2002 former Chief Judge David Patterson committed suicide. Two years ago attorney Leonard Englander convinced 6th Circuit Judge Walt Logan to issue a gag order to silence a man from sounding off about consumer issues with a major furniture company. USA Today did that story. Next year Englander got Judge Logan to sign a gag order to keep a man from sounding off about his client Ambassador Mel Sembler--parts of that story made it to the Washington Post. Later Logan, Englander, the CEO of the furniture company and the son of Mel Sembler served together on a social committee. There's the misrepresentation by Circuit Judge John Renke III; the endorsement of the controversial Narconon™ program by some justices; and the partnership of the 6th Circuit and Operation PAR, PAR's ties to Betty Sembler, and Betty Sembler's and the 6th Circuit's ties to Straight and The Seed--two defunct juvenile drug rehab programs that closed under charges of child abuse.

Judge George Greer. With all the national attention on the 6th Circuit, the chief justice must be beyond reproach. And Judge Greer is not. By 1992 Pinellas County had 70,000 blacks but there had never been one black county commissioner. That year Sevell Brown of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference asked the U.S. Justice Department to challenge the county's system of at-large elections. One man who could help then was chief county commissioner George Greer who was also chairman of the county's Charter Commission. In that capacity he could have worked to do away with the at-large system or even to increase the number of commissioners in order to make it easier for blacks to gain a seat. But he did absolutely nothing to help blacks gain a seat. In 2000 Chief Judge Susan Schaeffer lamented that her 6th Circuit had only two black judges. There is still a racial imbalance on the circuit. Thirty-nine percent of those on death row in Florida are black and George Greer is not the man to rectify these problems. When he was a county commissioner George Greer met with the mayor and two commissioners from Largo, Florida to try to convince them to allow his clients to build more condominiums than codes allow on the golf course they owned. This was at a time when he was a county commissioner who acted on issues affecting Largo. In 1990 Greer was publicly criticized for being one of four commissioners who took a boondoggle trip to the Cayman Islands ostensibly to look at the water desalinization plants there. The trip cost taxpayers over $4,000. And who can forget The Great Cooper's Point Land Scam when Michael Kenton, a Clearwater County employee, jointly purchased with the Sembler Company a swamp in Pinellas County for $ 1 million. Kenton became a consultant for Sembler and the team almost got away with selling the property overnight to Clearwater, with the help of Kenton's lobbying, for $2.65 million. But the local press got whiff of the story. Sembler hired attorney Tim Johnson who was the campaign aid for and a good friend of county commissioner George Greer and a $1,000 donor to Greer's camapign. A majority of commissioners including Greer voted to help Clearwater buy the swamp for $ 1.95 million.

Wes Fager

ed, www.theStraights.com
eMail: wes@wesfager.com

http://tampaindymedia.org/bin/site/templates/default.asp?area_2=imc/open%20newswire/2005/Jan/34445.3671875.dat

This article on electing judges in Pinellas County appeared in the St. Petersburg Times on Aug 16, 1992.

Electing Judges is a Farce
by Jon East

George Greer shows us this year why electing trial judges has become something of a farce. Greer, chairman of the Pinellas County Commission, decided he was tired of county politics and ready to fulfill his lifelong ambition to be a judge. So he set his sights on an open seat, opened a healthy campaign bank account, and got ready to do battle.
Greer, a two-term county commissioner with a well-publicized name, didn't have to bother. He was elected without opposition to a job he has never held. "I was told . . . that it wasn't that others were afraid to run against me but that they thought I would make a good judge," says Greer, who in a few months will be sworn in as a Pinellas-Pasco circuit judge. "I'd like to think there is that respect in the legal community for me."

Greer is a development lawyer with strong legal experience, and he may indeed become a fine judge. That he so easily converted his political capital as county commissioner into an uncontested circuit judgeship, though, may not speak to his judicial qualifications at all. The point is not that Greer is unworthy to be judge, but that the electoral process that put him there without an election is becoming an increasingly bad joke on the judicial system and the public. Greer himself complains about the elections process: "It's brutal."

In Florida, Supreme Court justices and appellate judges are appointed through a merit selection system, but the local judges who preside over trials get their jobs through popular election. They raise money from lawyers whose cases they one day will hear, and then they publish campaign brochures that call themselves "distinguished" and "experienced" and "reasoned" and, of course, "tough but fair." They tout bar memberships, as if those indicated special merit. They may tell voters they are a member of a bar trial committee, though they may never have tried a jury case. They may list certification to practice at certain court levels, as if that were somehow unique.

On the campaign trail, judicial candidates are forced to fight for time and exposure with senators, representatives, county commissioners, sheriffs. At civic clubs and neighborhood forums, judicial candidates usually speak last, if at all, and their message to the few voters who remain is usually limited to three minutes or less.

"It's terribly frustrating," says Nelly Khouzam, a highly respected lawyer who is trying to win a circuit judge job in Pinellas-Pasco. "I know the people out there really don't know who the candidates are. I tell them to please ask other lawyers, ask people who know."

The truth is that voters often don't take Khouzam's advice. They pick a recognizable name, or the first one on the ballot. It is why a Dade County lawyer won a circuit judge race three years ago after spending $500,000 for a media campaign, and why a Hillsborough County lawyer who was barely five years out of law school was able to win a circuit seat after flying a banner over Tampa Stadium.

Worse, once the judges are elected, they serve what amounts to a life term. Those who argue that merit retention elections for appointed judges amount to a meaningless rubber stamp ought to take a close look at the reality of popular election. Lawyers simply won't risk challenging a sitting judge, even a bad judge; the risks of losing are too high. The result is that this year, in the Pinellas-Pasco circuit and Hillsborough circuit, not one single incumbent judge was challenged. Not one. Is that accountability?

In merit selection, a nominating panel of lawyers and non-lawyers screens applications for each judicial position. The panel looks at qualifications, trial experience and reputation, and it interviews each lawyer to determine fitness for the job. It then sends a list of three qualified candidates to the governor, who is empowered to pick one. After appointment, each judge stands every six years for merit retention. In that retention election, voters are asked whether to keep or get rid of the judge, forcing all judges to periodically face voters.

The merit selection process is far from perfect, but election after election it continues to look better. Ask some of the candidates themselves. Marsha Glisson, Pinellas circuit, Group 3: "I feel fairly regularly that it is a demeaning process." Glenn Woodworth, Group 20: "When I first started this process, I thought (judicial) elections were important. I'm having second thoughts now. . . . This is a horrible process." Khouzam, Group 23: "It's a crazy process, and I'm convinced, having gone through this, that election is not the way."

In two weeks, voters will be asked to elect eight new judges in the Tampa Bay area, yet many will have never seen or heard a single candidate. How can we pretend this is good for the judicial system?

Jon East is an editorial writer for the Times.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/54264861.html?MAC=752022d425c8f006009facfd6a34a6de&did=54264861&FMT=FT&FMTS=FT&date=Aug+16%2C+1992&author=Jon+East&printformat=&desc=Electing+judges+is+a+farce

It doesn't seem much better when judges are appointed either.

I don't know what the answer is.

That's "Kevorkian."

Hey tutstar I'm not embarrassed---I'll ask you out loud to ping me when you get the answer to your question. (I need to know too ;-)

IRS CALL:
All I got from the IRS is that they couldn't tell me if they were investigating or not. And that I couldn't call back later and ask about the status of any case.

As I described the case, he asked how the tax laws were broken. I basically thought that was their job to figure out if any laws were broken or if fraud had been committed.

I wanted to have them investigate Michael for the money in Terri's account and using Medicare instead of that money for her care. He say it was a Medicare issue and I said what about the money in trust for Terri. Doesn't that come under the tax laws.

I also wanted them to investigate Felos for the differences in the amount he says he received and the amount in the statement. I referred him to the Empire Journal article, but I felt he wasn't listening. He didn't take any information on the article.

He told me to call the regular IRS number 1-800-829-1040 and find out what if any tax laws are broken with the guardianship money.

I didn't feel like he took me seriously, nor that they are investigating the cases(Michael Schiavo and/or Felos' cases).

Maybe someone with more knowledge about tax law could help us pinpoint what tax laws may be broken. The IRS wants specifics.

I just came across an old post from you where you posted this link to a video of Terri. I haven't seen it in a long time, and maybe others haven't either.

http://www.tomeaker.com/ts/terri-cable.mov

Can someone describe this video? I can't get to run.

I also wanted them to investigate Felos for the differences in the amount he says he received and the...

I think it only matters what Felos claims on his tax returns. There is no law saying he can't lie to the press about it.