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Ural Farmers Got Milk Gene First?
Science Magazine ^ | 2004-11-19 | Jocelyn Kaiser

Posted on 11/20/2004 6:42:15 AM PST by Lessismore

TORONTO, CANADA--More than 5000 experts met here from 26 to 30 October for the annual meeting of the American Society of Human Genetics. Longevity, milk digestion, and cancer were among the topics.

By some estimates, less than half of all adults can easily digest milk, a trait believed to have first appeared in people who kept dairy animals. Now scientists have traced the genetic roots of milk tolerance to the Ural mountains of western Russia, well north of where pastoralism is thought to have begun. The surprising result may support a theory that nomads from the Urals were one of two major farmer groups that spread into Europe, bringing the Indo-European languages that eventually diverged into the world's largest family of modern languages.

Almost all mammalian babies produce lactase, the enzyme that digests the milk sugar lactose. But in most animals and many people, the lactase gene is gradually turned off after infancy, leaving them unable to tolerate milk as adults. Two years ago, a team led by Leena Peltonen of the University of Helsinki, Finland, and the University of California, Los Angeles, identified mutations near the lactase gene that are associated with adult lactose tolerance and likely play a role in regulating the lactase gene. Now, Peltonen's team has tried to trace the origins of lactose tolerance by looking at 1611 DNA samples from 37 populations on four continents.

The populations having the greatest DNA sequence diversity around the lactase gene mutations--suggesting that lactose tolerance first appeared in them--include the Udmurts, Mokshas, Ezras, and other groups that originally lived between the Ural mountains and the Volga River. The trait most likely developed 4800 to 6600 years ago, Peltonen says. Her team linked the lactase gene changes to an ancestral variant that these groups apparently got from intermixing with tribes migrating from the Asian steppes.

After the Ural peoples gained this earlier form of the lactase gene, the lactose tolerance mutation "probably emerged by chance," says Peltonen, and then remained because it was beneficial for milk consumption. The Ural groups then likely later spread the variant to Europe--especially northern Europe, which has the highest lactose tolerance today--and the Middle East. The findings support the somewhat controversial theory that nomadic herders known as Kurgans expanded into Europe from the southern Urals 4500 to 3500 years ago, bringing Indo-European languages with them, according to Peltonen.

"I find [the new study] very interesting," says population geneticist Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza of Stanford University. He notes that a competing idea for explaining the origin of the Proto-Indo-Europeans is that they were crop-growing farmers from the Anatolia region in modern Turkey (Science, 27 February, p. 1323). But the milk study reinforces Cavalli-Sforza's view that both theories are correct: Indo-Europeans migrated to Europe in two waves, first from Turkey and later from the Urals.

Other geneticists caution that trying to pin down where a gene variant originated is tricky because the people in whom it's most common today may have migrated from somewhere else, or the original population could now be extinct. But if the milk gene's origin holds up, linguists and archaeologists will have new food for thought.


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To: Michael81Dus
drink a gallon of milk in an hour

Nope, heard a college kid try it on the radio. Didn't make it. Seems strange though, something about the physical characteristic of milk that prevents absorption of a large quantity is an hour's time.

41 posted on 11/20/2004 3:15:53 PM PST by budwiesest (From each, according to his ability, to each, according to his ability.)
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To: budwiesest
drink a gallon of milk in an hour

"I can eat 50 eggs."

42 posted on 11/20/2004 4:13:51 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The all-new List-O-Links for evolution threads is now in my freeper homepage.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

And fava beans... don't forget those...


43 posted on 11/20/2004 4:16:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: budwiesest

I have personally pulled off the gallon of milk in an hour trick before, & I didn't throw up. I didn't feel well for a while afterwards, but I kept it down. So did a couple other people. (ah, college fun)


44 posted on 11/20/2004 6:26:51 PM PST by DreadCthulhu
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To: CobaltBlue
When I was growing up in the Southern Baptist Church in the 60's, right in the middle of the Bible Belt, the "monkey trial" was settled decades before, and no Christian I knew really doubted Evolution. They taught it in school, and no issue was made of it.

But in the 80's a bunch of "Creation Science" groups started up, with the obvious intent of making a living spreading the "Gospel" of a 6 day creation. They've recently pulled back a bit and started the "Intellegen Design" message, making more money off those books, tapes and personal appearances.

The ruckus won't die down until there is no more money to be made selling this stuff. That may take awhile.

Unfortunatly, I think this is actually damaging faith itself, because it starts fights like these where the question quickly becomes "does God exist"? Some people will certianly make the decision, "no", when they might not have even thought about it before the professional Creationists came along.

45 posted on 11/20/2004 7:28:10 PM PST by narby
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To: Michael81Dus
what are the reactions? Barfing?

No; tummy ache, bloating (from gas), and farting.

You asked.

46 posted on 11/20/2004 7:45:24 PM PST by happygrl
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To: Modernman
There are many ethnic groups that are generally lactose intolerant. Actually, generally speaking, drinking milk as an adult is more the exception than the rule for humans.

This is good evidence that lactose tolerance was a beneficial mutation - the realization of which can give creationists severe mental bloating.

But then there's a possible out for them: Does a mutation that keeps a gene turned on longer throughout a person's life than it used to, constitute an "increase in information"? That's where the goalposts have been moved lately, and maybe creationists can find a way to say "no, it does not increase information". If they can convince themselves of that, then they can rest easy again, secure in the knowledge that civilized society is safe for yet another day.

47 posted on 11/21/2004 2:02:39 AM PST by jennyp (Latest creation/evolution news: http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: steplock
and - so? why? what? I am 53 and I STILL drink milk - all my cats up until they died at 18 & 20 drank milk - my dogs (pit bulls) like milk.

My cat loves milk but when she drinks it, her humans do NOT like the smell of what comes out the other end.

So far, we have not tried her on lactose-free milk, although it would be an interesting experiment.

BTW, does anyone know how much lactose is in goat's milk as opposed to cow's milk? Is this just more PETA / ELF / ALF / ASPCA leftist gibberish in line with their agenda to make mankind the lesser species?

Not necessarily--although there are other controversies about milk, such as the addition of antibiotics and hormones to the cattle feed, and the question of what effect these additives have on the humans who end up consuming milk or beef derived from said cattle.

I think a MUCH better application of GMO's would be to patent a line of cows which gave chocolate milk--I leave it to the professional agrarians and animal husbandry majors to find out whether such milk would lead to increased infection of the teats or milk ducts due to tastier (to germs) residue, etc.

Cheers!

48 posted on 11/21/2004 11:27:16 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
BTW, does anyone know how much lactose is in goat's milk as opposed to cow's milk?

It's in the same range. Here's a chart.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/stevecarper/zoo.htm

49 posted on 11/21/2004 1:46:02 PM PST by freespirited (Kerry ravaged the reputation of Vietnam vets in a manner reminiscent of a creepy liar.)
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To: Strategerist

I presume you're not of Northern European descent, but are a bigot.

"Billions"? Hogwash.


50 posted on 11/21/2004 6:10:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
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51 posted on 11/21/2004 6:11:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv

If you google these terms:

percent world's population lactose intolerant

you will see estimates from 50% to 80% of the world with at least some lactose intolerance.


52 posted on 11/21/2004 9:26:13 PM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: Lessismore

Makes sense -- the nomads in Central Eurasia would have had to get lactose tolerant or they wouldn't ahve been able to survive at times. I guess that drink of fermented cows milk may have started the lactose tolerance?


53 posted on 11/21/2004 11:30:51 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Tench_Coxe; Lessismore
Were they led by some huge dude with black armor, deep voice, and never seemed to die?

Well, the early myths are definitely related to two families/kingdoms. you find that common theme amongst all Indo-European religions: Hinduism, pre-Zoroastrian Irani religions, the Hittile religion, Nordic religions though it seems to have died otu in GReek and Latin religious mythology
54 posted on 11/21/2004 11:32:28 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: CobaltBlue
Chinese and other Asians (Japanese, Vietnamese) can't drink milk. Black Africans can't drink milk. Native Americans can't drink milk.

Hmmm... interesting. You would find that lactose tolerance seems to go where cows were tended for their milk -- like in Mesopotamia, Iran, northern India, Central Eurasia etc.
55 posted on 11/21/2004 11:34:23 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: narby
Personally, I don't think evolution can be in conflict with creationism -- we can prove that say different types of ffinches evolved over centuries, but going back over millenia makes it somewhat like mythology -- unproveable. And, in my mind science should be empiraically provable. IF a subject can't be provable, then it shoudl be left to religion etc. That's why cosmology when ti talks about certain aspects, I can agree, but when it goes back to a Big Bang theory, my thought are -- can you prove it? NO. Can a creationist prove his/her line of thinking? NO. Since both arguments are inherently unproveable, why are they fighting? In fact the religious aspect at least gives people something to believe in -- "Ok, I don't know why it is there, but I can't prove it any way, so let's not worry about it".

Science's role is in explaining our natural world, not to come up with speculations.
56 posted on 11/21/2004 11:39:14 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Cronos

You have exactly zero understanding of real science, then. There are exactly zero theories or laws of science that have been proven. There never will be any empirical proof of anything in science. Science deals with evidence, not proof. Is it possible that evolution could be shown to be wrong. Absolutely. The same can be said, however, about ANY idea in science. There is never proof of the correctness of anything in science.


57 posted on 11/22/2004 5:41:25 AM PST by stremba
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To: Cronos
we can prove that say different types of ffinches evolved over centuries, but going back over millenia makes it somewhat like mythology

How can you know that anything existed before you were born and became aware? Perhaps God snapped all of into existence just for your personal existence.

Kind of like the Matrix, except you are the only one with awareness, all the rest, including history is just an illusion.

How do you know that I exist? Perhaps I'm just a bot that God created in order to excersize your mind.

Evolution makes sense, and I think it's real, because the evidence is overwhelming in the fossil and DNA record. To believe it's not, is to believe that God put all that stuff in place just to mess with our minds. I don't think God works that way. Why would he bother?

58 posted on 11/22/2004 8:26:53 AM PST by narby
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59 posted on 02/04/2006 3:17:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Islam is medieval fascism, and the Koran is a medieval Mein Kampf.)
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