Posted on 10/13/2004 9:48:00 AM PDT by MindBender26
Kerry Lost Security Clearance!
Just spoke with reporter friend in DC. She is talking with former USN ONI types who worked on DOD/USN investigation that resulted in total loss of Kerry’s Navy security clearance.
Kerry had been granted a Top Secret by the Navy on October 11, 1967 based on a routine background investigation by Office of Naval Intelligence. A top secret clearance was required for his work at that time.
Obtaining and holding a security clearance of any level, especially TS or above, requires certain terms, obligations, commitments and conditions from the holder. One of the most important is the holder of the clearance must promptly and fully any contacts with any foreign officials, agents, etc.
Lieutenant Kerry left active duty with the Navy on January 3, 1970, but he still carried those obligations as a commissioned officer of the Naval Reserve. Without telling anyone and without receiving permission from superiors,FBI or counter-intelligence officers, he traveled to Paris in the summer of 1970. He claimed the purpose of his trip was a honeymoon with his first wife, Julia Thorne, but there was another hidden purpose.
Numerous North Vietnamese and Viet Cong intelligence agents and officials were in Paris, having arrived a year earlier for the “Peace Talks.” While in Paris, Kerry met with agents on a number of occasions and had extensive discussions with them about U.S. plans, procedures and how to get the U.S. to essentially surrender in Vietnam.
These clandestine meetings were never reported to the Navy.
Almost a year later, in April 1091, speaking as the leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against The War, Lieutenant Kerry told a Senate hearing about his meetings with enemy agents. Senior DOD officials wanted to prosecute him as a Naval Reserve officer for violating a number of laws and regulations, but this was vetoed by the Nixon White House. They didn’t want to give the anti-war crowd any additional PR ammunition.
However, the Navy immediately pulled Kerry’s security clearance. He became a Naval Reserve officer who was known not to be trusted. He kept his commission, but lost all access to any classified information. In the words of one of the now-retired agents, “Lieutenant Kerry wasn’t cleared to know what time it was!”
The bottom line is, Kerry was on the Intelligence Committee of the Senate after the Paris fiasco and another trip to support the Moscow-backed Sandinistas in Nicaragua.
Today, he couldn’t get a security clearance to pull KP duty, but he wants to be Commander in Chief of all our military in the War on Terrorism!
If the media had done a FOI for Kerry, bet the Navy would have been most happy to turn everything over. I would love to see that whole file!
Any chance this might come out in the final Swift Vets ad? It's supposed to be even more damaging to Kerry than any of the previous ads.
You're not kidding..... it's not right.
It used to mean double stamps on Wednesdays at Winn-Dixie.
You and me both. It seems to me that there would be something available to the public that would help, but we just haven't found it yet. All of the info can't be locked away in his military records.
There relative importance is like old flour to new cookies.
On Imus yesterday Col. Jack Jacobs stated that Kerry got a General discharge and later had it upgraded to an Honorable after he was in the Senate. Clintigula gave him the upgrade.
Like the Dems care.
"Forbes also made a considerable fortune smuggling opium during the Opium Wars. The British wanted to keep a monopoly on supplying the Chinese with opium grown in India. Several of the Forbes family cashed out of their dealings in China after the Opium War, and reinvested in Europe and the United States. Many Forbes family members purchased estates in France and Massachusetts, and generally remain influential there, in local or national politics. John Forbes Kerry is a U.S. Senator and currently a candidate for President of the U.S. Though he is a beneficiary of several Forbes family trusts (c. 2002), Kerry has not worked in the private sector for Forbes family business interests and has devoted his life to a career in public service. Kerry's first cousin and friend, Brice Lalonde, an environmentalist activist, is a French Green party politician who was a candidate for President of France in 1981 and currently mayor of Saint-Briac-sur-Mer near the Forbes family estate. --- In a tiny footnote to history, Ruth Forbes Paine Young's son, Michael R. Paine, and his wife Ruth Paine, allowed Maria Oswald, the wife of Lee Harvey Oswald, to live in their house as a family friend, and Oswald's rifle was stored for a time in the Paine's family garage."
Anybody know if I messed up the day (was it on Monday?) or is it to run tonight? Or did I imagine the whole bloody thing?! :-)
This is probably a dumb question, but why is not a law that ALL military records of a person running for POUS be made available to the public?
"Almost a year later, in April 1091"
Makes me feel old :\
Nonsense. On what did Jacobs base such a remark.
You are right. It is incredible that we have to ask to see the Military Records of a candidate for POTUS.. Isn't this the same country where the Press can routinely use the FOIA to get information on us?
RamS
I think ruiner later posted that he forgot the Sarcasm tag.
Thanks. There's no question that Kerry's clearance should have been pulled; now it's a matter of proving conclusively that it was.
Yes, I read that before I saw your post.
Addendum:
When I was 23 years old, almost 2 years into my AS in Computer Programming, I attempted to enlist in the Air Force to follow in my fathers footsteps. I was a GED graduate.
They declined and told me to check later. The Navy, however, was willing to give me a shot since I did have the college credits. However, I have a juvinile record of petit crimes commited between the ages of 14 and 17.
The Navy found interest in my IT background, but said they wanted career people to join under my circumstances(juvy record, GED). They said because of my past, I would not get the clearances that I would need to perform the duties I qualified best for.
They said I could still join, but I would end up doing jobs I wouldn't like and opt out after 2-4 years. I respectfully declined and pushed my computer career forward.
If I can't get even a menial job in the Air Force, or something like watching RADAR on an aircraft carrier all day... why on God's Green Earth would Kerry get the highest position in all of the military with his background.. which pales in comparison to my past?
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