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Fox News to break forged document story
Fox News | 9/9/2004 | Fox News

Posted on 09/09/2004 3:10:33 PM PDT by Semper Paratus

Brit Hume announced story coming up now on National Guard docmunents


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; bush; camejo; cbs; cheney; danrather; didbushcollaborate; didbushmeetwithenemy; dubya; edwards; election; forgery; gwb; kerry; kerryswaratrocities; killian; mediabias; nader; napalminthemorning; nationalguard; rather; ratherbiased; seebsnews; wasbushinparis; whatdidbushknow
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To: NavySEAL F-16

795 - "The Executive still didn't have a way to make the "th" smaller, it would have been the same size, just rolled up using the paten."

I don't remember what year it was introduced, but one of the early Selectrics had proportional fonts (depending on the ball) and 'mini-line' spacing (a single line was divided into about 6 or 8 small line spacings (so as to give the capability to do this - as you say). However, it cost a lot more, and the only one I remember was the Secretary of the Big Boss who had one, and it made beautiful output with a carbon ribbon and ball.

There was one called the "Composer", I think that did this.


841 posted on 09/09/2004 5:52:55 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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To: flaminco
Thats just it, if the WH knew they were forgeries, they didn't have to hold a press conference. They could have just told CBS to knock it off, on the down low. Not even CBS is stupid enough to run with documents they know are forgeries.

The White House WANTED CBS to run with the story because they knew that the documents were forgeries. CBS would end up looking like idiots, they would be discredited....so the White House decided not to tell them, but released the obviously fake memo's to the public. They wanted to expose CBS for what it is...an arm of the DNC.

you said; "CBS is *never* going to run a favorable story on Bush"Exactly, which is why it would have been better if the WH had just killed the original 60 minutes story before it was even aired. The MSM will never give the same attention to the forgery story as they did to the original 60 min. story.

CBS wouldn't have killed it for the White House. They probably would have spun it and said that the White House tried to pressure them NOT to run the story and would have still run it. CBS is so blinded by partisianship that they thought they had a "gotcha"...they wre intent on burning Bush but ended up getting burned. The MSM might not report the forgeries in depth, but it will get reported to an extent and the new media is reporting it.

842 posted on 09/09/2004 5:52:59 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I hope this isn't all a set up where CBS knows that the docs in the released .pdf files were replications of the actual docs and will be releasing the originals as soon as all the hounds think they have the fox cornered. I'm a cynical bastard, ain't I?

They still have Barnes' daughter saying her dad lied and Killian's son saying those documents didn't come from the family and that his father wouldn't have written at least some of those documents.

843 posted on 09/09/2004 5:55:33 PM PDT by alnick (US forces armed with what? Spitballs??)
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To: Truth Table

It's been done.

Doesn't matter. Those documents were word processed, without question.


844 posted on 09/09/2004 5:55:36 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: Piranha

"this is starting to feel like the end of the soviet empire."

Great point. When Solidarity stood up to the Communists, it was apparent that Communism was intellectually bankrupt and could not possibly survive.

When Clinton was indicted and when confronted with a "numbingly literal phallocracy" (Mark Steyn's words), the feminists looked the other way. This clearly demonstrated the intellectual bankruptcy of the Democratic Party.

And by the way, has it occured to anyone that the DNC is, with their over the top rhetoric, inciting violence amongst the leftists? They are so cranked up that I think it is just a matter of time before we see violent left-wing riots.


845 posted on 09/09/2004 5:56:17 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (You can oog da floogle but you can't doof da boofen.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I don't know how a program that converts an image into PDF treats characters. I believe that old fax technology made conversions of characters to code, cuz it sped up transmission speeds.

I saw one post, in one thread where someone said they had a "th" char on a daisy ball, but there are so darn many threads about this today, I'd be at a loss to find the post again.

Seeing the differences in the signatures finally convinced me, though I was trying to poke holes in the story for a good portion of the day today.


846 posted on 09/09/2004 5:56:35 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: tapatio
Rather says the Republicans are going after Barnes

Republicans are going after the truth!

847 posted on 09/09/2004 5:56:56 PM PDT by radiohead (Burn in hell, Kerry.)
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To: spyone
Hewitt: Barnes wasn't appointed Lt. Governor till after Bush was in the guard...he is LYING!

WOW! No kidding! Did he give dates? Kewl.

848 posted on 09/09/2004 5:56:58 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

795 - "The Executive still didn't have a way to make the "th" smaller, it would have been the same size, just rolled up using the paten."

And there were some font balls which would do that, make the small type and move it up or down for certain specialties - like the 2 for square in square feet, common fractions like 1/4 and 1/2, and some small things lower down, like markings for footnote annotations. But these depended on which 'font ball' you used. My secretary had about a dozen different ones.


849 posted on 09/09/2004 5:57:19 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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To: Diogenes

The IBM Selectric did; however, have interchangeable fonts that clipped into place. You could get special character fonts, but I am not sure whether the special characters included super and subscripts.


850 posted on 09/09/2004 5:57:56 PM PDT by myrabach
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To: mississippi red-neck

Good thought, especially since his son has already come out questioning the memos.


851 posted on 09/09/2004 5:58:14 PM PDT by CedarDave (USCG Vietnam vet to DC from NM on 9/12 for the "Kerry Lied...While Good Men Died" rally. Join us!)
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To: concerned about politics

Yes, going by memory...appointed in 1972...Bush in sometime in 1971?


852 posted on 09/09/2004 5:58:37 PM PDT by spyone
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To: cyncooper

THE WEEKLY STANDARD's story by Stephen Hayes is up now. He writes that CBS was apparently the "victim" of a fraud.

That is FAR too generous (and shocking coming from the WEEKLY STANDARD). They obviously participated in the fraud, if only by not doing appropriate due diligence before they broadcast these to the entire world...


853 posted on 09/09/2004 5:59:09 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: CedarDave

"l" I think


854 posted on 09/09/2004 5:59:29 PM PDT by cyncooper (We're mad as Zell and we're not going to take it anymore!)
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To: flaminco

"Exactly, which is why it would have been better if the WH had just killed the original 60 minutes story before it was even aired."



IMHO, what they did is much better. If you've got a royal straight flush, bet a little at a time and let the other players throw as much money into the pot as possible. If you bet everything you have and thus everyone gets out, you only get their ante money. By not telling CBS that the documents were most likely forgeries, they have devastated the credibility not only of Bush's accusers and the Democrat sycophants who jumped on the bandwagon, but of CBS News as well. Now *that* is quite a jackpot.


855 posted on 09/09/2004 5:59:47 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: DouglasKC; cyncooper
"The MSM might not report the forgeries in depth, but it will get reported to an extent and the new media is reporting it."

In other words, everyone who is already voting for Bush will hear about it, but hardly anyone else. I could be wrong. I hope I am, but given what I know about the media, I am not optimistic.
856 posted on 09/09/2004 6:00:22 PM PDT by flaminco
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To: MEG33

Hanity and Combs up now.


857 posted on 09/09/2004 6:00:30 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Kerry/Edwards. Between the two of them, I'd be safer with a slimy spitball.)
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To: bootyist-monk
As I read it, the font did exist and was used in set type, but in was never a typewriter font in the form that it is seen in the documents. It was apparently part of the original Mac fonts in 1980, then adopted by MS as well.

Times Roman, and Times New Roman might be exactly the same font, different names merely reflecting the licensor of the font; Monotype or Linotype.

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: What's the difference between Times Roman and Times New Roman?
From: Charles Bigelow
Date: 5 May 1994

"Times Roman" is the name used by Linotype, and the name they registered as a trademark for the design in the U.S. "Times New Roman" was and still is the name used by The Monotype Corporation. The face was developed by The Times newspaper for its own use, under the design direction of Stanley Morison. Originally cut by the Monotype Corp. in England, the design was also licensed to Linotype, because The Times used Linotype equipment for much of its actual production. The story of "The Times New Roman" can be found in Stanley Morison's A Tally of Types, published by Cambridge University Press, with additional, though not quite the same, versions in Nicolas Barker's biography of Stanley Morison, and in James Moran's biography of SM. (There should be an apostrophe in that name, "Times' Roman", I suppose, though no-one uses it.)

During WWII, the American Linotype company, in a generous spirit of Allied camaraderie, applied for registration of the trademark name "Times Roman" as its own, not Monotype's or The Times', and received the registration in 1945.

In the 1980's, all this was revisited when some entrepreneurs, desirous of gaining the rights to use the name, applied to Rupert Murdoch, who owned The Times; separately, a legal action was also initiated to clarify the right of Monotype to use the name in the U.S., despite Linotype's registration.

The outcome of all of the legal maneuverings is that Linotype and its licensees like Adobe and Apple continue to use the name "Times Roman", while Monotype and its licensees like Microsoft use the name "Times New Roman".

During the decades of transatlantic "sharing" of the Times designs, and the transfer of the faces from metal to photo to digital, various differences developed between the versions marketed by Linotype and Monotype. Especially these became evident when Adobe released the PostScript version, for various reasons having to do with how Adobe produced the original PostScript implementations of Times. The width metrics were different, as well as various proportions and details.

Full Article: http://www.truetype.demon.co.uk/articles/times.htm


858 posted on 09/09/2004 6:00:38 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: spyone

Hewitt: "Powerlineblog.com started this this morning; they deserve all the credit"

Blah..


859 posted on 09/09/2004 6:00:58 PM PDT by CedarDave (USCG Vietnam vet to DC from NM on 9/12 for the "Kerry Lied...While Good Men Died" rally. Join us!)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

795 - "The Executive still didn't have a way to make the "th" smaller, it would have been the same size, just rolled up using the paten."

One ball had a small font "TH" and a small "ST" which printed high up


860 posted on 09/09/2004 6:01:46 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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