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Hawking cracks black hole paradox
NewScientist ^ | 14 July 2004 | Jenny Hogan

Posted on 07/14/2004 12:22:21 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

After nearly 30 years of arguing that a black hole destroys everything that falls into it, Stephen Hawking is saying he was wrong. It seems that black holes may after all allow information within them to escape. Hawking will present his latest finding at a conference in Ireland next week.

The about-turn might cost Hawking, a physicist at the University of Cambridge, an encyclopaedia because of a bet he made in 1997. More importantly, it might solve one of the long-standing puzzles in modern physics, known as the black hole information paradox.

It was Hawking's own work that created the paradox. In 1976, he calculated that once a black hole forms, it starts losing mass by radiating energy. This "Hawking radiation" contains no information about the matter inside the black hole and once the black hole evaporates, all information is lost.

But this conflicts with the laws of quantum physics, which say that such information can never be completely wiped out. Hawking's argument was that the intense gravitational fields of black holes somehow unravel the laws of quantum physics.

Other physicists have tried to chip away at this paradox. Earlier in 2004, Samir Mathur of Ohio State University in Columbus and his colleagues showed that if a black hole is modelled according to string theory - in which the universe is made of tiny, vibrating strings rather than point-like particles - then the black hole becomes a giant tangle of strings. And the Hawking radiation emitted by this "fuzzball" does contain information about the insides of a black hole (New Scientist print edition, 13 March).

Big reputation

Now, it seems that Hawking too has an answer to the conundrum and the physics community is abuzz with the news. Hawking requested at the last minute that he be allowed to present his findings at the 17th International Conference on General Relativity and Gravitation in Dublin, Ireland.

"He sent a note saying 'I have solved the black hole information paradox and I want to talk about it'," says Curt Cutler, a physicist at the Albert Einstein Institute in Golm, Germany, who is chairing the conference's scientific committee. "I haven't seen a preprint [of the paper]. To be quite honest, I went on Hawking's reputation."

Though Hawking has not yet revealed the detailed maths behind his finding, sketchy details have emerged from a seminar Hawking gave at Cambridge. According to Cambridge colleague Gary Gibbons, an expert on the physics of black holes who was at the seminar, Hawking's black holes, unlike classic black holes, do not have a well-defined event horizon that hides everything within them from the outside world.

In essence, his new black holes now never quite become the kind that gobble up everything. Instead, they keep emitting radiation for a long time, and eventually open up to reveal the information within. "It's possible that what he presented in the seminar is a solution," says Gibbons. "But I think you have to say the jury is still out."

Forever hidden

At the conference, Hawking will have an hour on 21 July to make his case. If he succeeds, then, ironically, he will lose a bet that he and theoretical physicist Kip Thorne of the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in Pasadena made with John Preskill, also of Caltech.

They argued that "information swallowed by a black hole is forever hidden, and can never be revealed".

"Since Stephen has changed his view and now believes that black holes do not destroy information, I expect him [and Kip] to concede the bet," Preskill told New Scientist. The duo are expected to present Preskill with an encyclopaedia of his choice "from which information can be recovered at will".


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: alwaysnewtheory; astronomy; blackholes; cosmology; crevolist; hawking; physics; science; scienceisajoke; theoryjusttheory
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To: PatrickHenry

Wow, good thing Stephen Hawking's mom didn't abort him......


21 posted on 07/14/2004 12:43:48 PM PDT by SW6906
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To: PatrickHenry

The most important question in all this is how will it affect the STARGATE universe? Carter is going to have to adjust her techno-jargon, and the DeLouise boys are going to have to bone up.

It never ends

I once knew a moebius stripper....never quite nude, never quite dressed.


22 posted on 07/14/2004 12:44:26 PM PDT by petro45acp ("Government might not be too bad...................if it weren't for all the polititians!")
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To: SW6906

There is joke related to this topic somewhere in there, but I lost that information.....


23 posted on 07/14/2004 12:44:45 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: PatrickHenry

His black hole has that certain......sing-u-lar-i-ty....


24 posted on 07/14/2004 12:45:49 PM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy....The Marines make the world safe for the Army...)
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To: UCANSEE2
"Stephen Hawking at one end, DEMOCRATIC VOTERS on the other."

SH is his own paradox then. Unless the scale is a spinning, ungraduated circle.

25 posted on 07/14/2004 12:46:11 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Red Badger

Semper Fidelis!


26 posted on 07/14/2004 12:46:28 PM PDT by petro45acp ("Government might not be too bad...................if it weren't for all the polititians!")
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To: Xenalyte
That was a horrible movie. But I *do* give it credit for actually treating human exposure to the vacuum of space in a realistic way, i.e., being survivable with nosebleeds and such, instead of exploding a la "Outland" or freezing instantly like Tim Robbins in "Mission to Mars."
27 posted on 07/14/2004 12:46:58 PM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: petro45acp

Semper Fi!...


28 posted on 07/14/2004 12:47:52 PM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy....The Marines make the world safe for the Army...)
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To: petro45acp

"I once knew a moebius stripper....never quite nude, never quite dressed."

That's very one sided


29 posted on 07/14/2004 12:48:38 PM PDT by NYFriend
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To: NYFriend

lol


30 posted on 07/14/2004 12:49:18 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Sloth

I rather enjoyed seeing Tim Robbins freezing instantly......Was the best part of the movie......


31 posted on 07/14/2004 12:49:30 PM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy....The Marines make the world safe for the Army...)
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To: NYFriend

"I once knew a moebius stripper....never quite nude, never quite dressed."

That's very one sided

Unilateralism at its best!


32 posted on 07/14/2004 12:50:56 PM PDT by petro45acp ("Government might not be too bad...................if it weren't for all the polititians!")
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To: PatrickHenry

"You don't want any of this..."

33 posted on 07/14/2004 12:51:09 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP (Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault...)
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To: PatrickHenry

Well with a flipflop of this magnitude does it mean that Hawkings will be replacing Edwards on the Kerry ticket? :-)


34 posted on 07/14/2004 12:51:38 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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To: PatrickHenry

Ah, "information" again. LOL! Thanks for the ping!


35 posted on 07/14/2004 12:52:05 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: UCANSEE2

"It is the sign of the most intelligent to admit mistakes."

It isn't necessary to be intelligent to be more interested in the truth than the inflation of one's own ego. Of course, this still doesn't mean he's right. He was wrong before. He may well be wrong now.


36 posted on 07/14/2004 12:52:53 PM PDT by nosofar ("I'm not above the Law. I am the Law!" - Judge Dredd)
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To: Sloth; Xenalyte
I liked that movie! Mostly because my psycho-hose-beast of an ex-fiance' hated it. She actually wanted to walk out, so naturally I talked her out of it. :)

NFP

37 posted on 07/14/2004 12:53:09 PM PDT by Notforprophet
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To: PatrickHenry
This Hawking guy is pretty smart, huh? ;>)

Lando

38 posted on 07/14/2004 12:53:38 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln (GWB in 2004)
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To: PatrickHenry; Physicist

I could swear that SH discussed black holes "evaporating" via quantum tunneling several years ago. Am I right, or just hopped up on the beeber?


39 posted on 07/14/2004 12:53:38 PM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: PatrickHenry

After seeing the title I thought this was referring to Jesse Jackson's mouth.


40 posted on 07/14/2004 12:53:51 PM PDT by jslade (People who are easily offended, OFFEND ME!)
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