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OK, we are getting back into the old patterns of things, so maybe this will snap people back to the fact that I am determined to not have the old pattern return. On this thread, there was a ton of baiting, a ton of personal attacks, some veiled racism, and quite a few posts that striked me as literally indicative of insanity on the part of the poster— if the poster meant what he said. Y’all have to do a better job self-policing or these discussions won’t happen. And I do not buy the argument that one side wants that to happen. I see threasds where one side starts it, I see threads where the other side starts it. I see threads started where it seem the person posting the thread is the one who is doing things to start the thread down the path to being pulled, backroomed, or locked. I’m going to post to the individuals I see doing these unconstructive things but anyone who thinks “I am talking about them not me” is not getting the point. Everyone can do their part to make these threads better. Even someone who never has posted anything which is bad can help by helping to tell those they agree with on issues to back off when they are doing things like flaming or tinfoiling or baiting. This is going to take effort, and some are making it and some are not. Please make it.



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Hill Cool to Bush Immigration Plan
Washington Post ^ | 1/11/04 | Helen Dewar

Posted on 01/10/2004 9:33:03 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

President Bush's proposal to give temporary legal status to millions of undocumented immigrants is running into stiff resistance from both left and right on Capitol Hill and stands little chance of enactment this year, according to supporters and opponents. While this assessment is based on early responses, with the lobbying effort barely begun, some lawmakers say the measure's only chance of passage this year would require an all-out push by the president, and even that might not be enough.

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"[...] stands little chance of enactment [...]"

In a perfect world, of course: the posting of this story would mean that all the online nellies, yellowbellies and faux "conservatives" all darting about on these boards and whinnying to the effect that "Bush is a war criminal from HELL!" and suchlike would finally just settle the @#$% down, for a moment or two; take a deep, communal breath; go to their respective Happy Places, within themselves; and cease embarrassing themselves (and this board) with their pop-eyed hysterics.

As I said: in a perfect world...

1 posted on 01/10/2004 9:33:04 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I have no idea why Bush is doing this.
3 posted on 01/10/2004 9:35:22 PM PST by Magno
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Hill Cool to Bush Immigration Plan

As it should be. I guess Congress is useful for something every now and then.

4 posted on 01/10/2004 9:36:19 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I support Bush, BIG TIME, but I can't get behind this,
5 posted on 01/10/2004 9:37:22 PM PST by Drango (NPR is the tax funded propaganda wing of the DNC.)
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To: Magno
I have no idea why Bush is doing this.

It's all part of his and Karl Rove's plan to please everybody, which ends up pleasing nobody. If it weren't for our security needs I think he'd be a one-termer like his father.

6 posted on 01/10/2004 9:39:04 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Orangedog
Do you suppose that President Bush knew that he was proposing something he wnated to be discussed, discected and inspected by Congress? He is not King, or Dictator, so I suppose he put it out there for a debate. No?
7 posted on 01/10/2004 9:41:43 PM PST by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: Moonman62
Bush seems to be intent on solutions to issues that have long been on the books. Unfortunately the vast numbers of liberals and conservatives seem content to have issues and not solutions.
8 posted on 01/10/2004 9:42:18 PM PST by pacpam (action=consequence applies in all cases)
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To: Magno
"For I was a stranger and you welcomed me." (Matthew 25:35)
9 posted on 01/10/2004 9:42:53 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Orangedog
As it should be. I guess Congress is useful for something every now and then.

Kind of reminds me of the good old days of gridlock.

10 posted on 01/10/2004 9:43:16 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"In a perfect world, of course: the posting of this story would mean that all the online nellies, yellowbellies and faux "conservatives" all darting about on these boards and whinnying to the effect that "Bush is a war criminal from HELL!" and suchlike would finally just settle the @#$% down, for a moment or two; take a deep, communal breath; go to their respective Happy Places, within themselves; and cease embarrassing themselves (and this board) with their pop-eyed hysterics."

Thank You.

GWB, he floats like a Butterfly, stings like a Bee, rumble young man, rumble...

I kinda feel sorry for the Bush haters, they are missing a really great show. Just free your mind, man...

11 posted on 01/10/2004 9:43:25 PM PST by TommyUdo (The Democrat Party--Proudly Pimpin' off Po' Folk Since 1964)
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To: Moonman62
What is going to happen in November 2004 ?

Maybe the Democrats will have a real chance to win.
12 posted on 01/10/2004 9:43:58 PM PST by Magno
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To: pacpam
Bush seems to be intent on solutions to issues that have long been on the books. Unfortunately the vast numbers of liberals and conservatives seem content to have issues and not solutions.

Agreed. There are a wholly disconcerting number of so-called "conservatives" on this very board, in fact, for whom the words "suggestion" or "proposal" (apparently) equal the word "law."

This says a good deal more regarding said "conservatives," methinks, than it does about GWB. :)

13 posted on 01/10/2004 9:45:46 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: pacpam
If he actually had solutions, I'd agree. What he actually has is significant increased spending and government growth. Those are hardly synonymous with solutions.
14 posted on 01/10/2004 9:46:17 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Orangedog
I guess Congress is useful for something every now and then.

Got that right... Congress is the People's branch, and I don't believe the people like the President's idea. There was a time when Congress was the most powerful of the three branches (in practice, if not in theory).

15 posted on 01/10/2004 9:47:35 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe
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To: Cultural Jihad
""For I was a stranger and you welcomed me." (Matthew 25:35)"

But you're not welcome to redecorate and rearrange the furniture!

16 posted on 01/10/2004 9:48:22 PM PST by StormEye
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
In a perfect world, you'd not be so quick to denigrate folk entitled to post their opinions on FR, no matter how distasteful you may find their opinions and subsequently characterize the posters -- in your perfect world.
Penny
17 posted on 01/10/2004 9:48:23 PM PST by Penny
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To: Magno
I have no idea why Bush is doing this.

Typical wisdom is that he hopes to get the hispanic vote...I don't see that happening, though. The only other reason I can see him bending over backwards to please Mexico is a little conveluted, but here goes: China is making a lot of progress in building a strategic beach head in Central and South America. The Panama Canal is the best example of this. Mexico is about as close to the 3rd world as you can get this close to the US. Maybe (and this is a big maybe) if Mexico doesn't find a strong economic ally in the United States, then maybe it will Find that ally in the only other country in the world with a reason to be their "friends," as well as expansionist ambitions and the financial, industrial, manpower and military means to pull off those plans...China. If that were to happen, we would the first real threat of an invasion by a hostile military power since the War of 1812.

18 posted on 01/10/2004 9:49:11 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: TommyUdo
I kinda feel sorry for the Bush haters, they are missing a really great show.

... and it's precisely these same narrow, awful types -- make book on this one; bet the rent money on it, if you like -- who will be the absolute first in line to demand that their various and sundry "demands" and issues be accorded Super-Duper Top Priority, in the event of a second Bush term. AFTER having publicly announced their adamantine intentions NOT to vote for him in '04, and NOT to donate to the party.

The word "clueless" does suggest itself here, doesn't it...? :)

19 posted on 01/10/2004 9:49:51 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: Magno
Maybe the Democrats will have a real chance to win.

I doubt it. History seems to be on the side of the Republicans this time, for better or worse.

20 posted on 01/10/2004 9:51:07 PM PST by Moonman62
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