Regarding Freeper Obit. TrappedInLiberalHell and Depression

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[joesbucks]

The problems of depression and despair.

[Dec31,1999]

There's a lot of confusion on this thread. Part of it is the "socialist " push to view the issue as a physical thing, which it is not. Doesn't that make sense? When was the last time you heard a Democrat psychologist, and they all are, make a moral judgement? I've been through depression, psychiatrists, psychologists; you name it, and it always comes down to the same thing: Pull yourself up by the bootstraps and go on. In fact, studies reveal this to be true. OK, I don't have references readily available.

[Lazamataz]

I know from personal experience exactly what you mean. With me, alcohol. To me it is (was?) like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde...at the moment it's great, then the bottom falls out and you hate it with everything in you. Repeat ad infinitum.

How'd you kick? I found my miracle in the rooms of Narcotics Anonymous.

The wierd thing was, I never ONCE had a good time on cocaine. But back I would go, time and time again, even when I knew it could cost me a marriage and many jobs.

I read recently that ADD sufferers are 50% more likely to become addicted to cocaine. I have a hard-core case of ADD. It makes sense I would be in that 50% enhanced-risk group.

[Lazamataz]

Wait a minute, that's not an argument. He paid for an argument and you're just automatically naysaying every point he makes.

No I'm not.

[Petronski]

A-ha! There you go!

[Dane]

Dane's mistake was pinging her so that she could read what a cowardly, selfish person he believed her husband was, in my opinion

She had no problem talking about it on the other thread. And I was trying to imply that suicide is an act of selfishness and that family members shouldn't blame themselves.

[Dec31,1999]

It's true. And in each case, you can see that selfishness, expressed as a stubbornness, while the person was alive, if you look closely.

[Lazamataz]

Dane, BTW, I meant to thank you for being a pretty good guy the other day. You made some snide remark, then apologized when you say I was going activist on the topic. That was pretty cool. If you reached into the part of your soul that made you do that, and repeated that sort of behavior, a lot of my objections to you would vanish. I hope you know that this is meant constructively, and to help you.

And my thanks are genuine as well.

[Lazamataz]

A-ha! There you go!

No no no. You paid for an argument.

[Lazamataz]

She had no problem talking about it on the other thread. And I was trying to imply that suicide is an act of selfishness and that family members shouldn't blame themselves.

Dane -- another geniune attempt to help you here -- you have to be SUPER tactful when dealing with the mourning. I may agree with you that suicide is selfish and cowardly.

But the farthest I would go, on this thread, to saying so about Chris is to say I was angry at him.

That's as far as you can go and still not cause more pain to the grieving widow. You always have to think about other peoples' feelings in these situations.

[Lazamataz]

I got called a bastard basically because I made a post on the other thread saying suicide is a self-centered and awful act. I didn't know apparently the posters' spouse was reading the post or is even a FR member.

You've gotta be careful. You made an honest mistake. I wouldn't have bashed ya.

[Conservative til I die]

I won't bore everyone by repeating myself...but often, selfishness doesn't have a thing to do with it. It really doesn't. I speak from experience.

While this is true, there are also plenty of instances of suicidals doing the deed in front of loved ones. IMO, what they are doing is giving the ultimate F-U to the people they blame for their problems.

[Lazamataz]

How was I insensitive? I have all the sympathy in the world for people who suffer from depression, my biggest "peeve"(for lack of a better term) is lionizing suicide as noble.

Please stop.

Please.

[SerpentDove]

>>How'd you kick?<<

Well...let's say I'm working on it.

One thing that helps me is to be totally transparent and open with everyone around me. Family, pastor, everyone. That way at least I know I'm not isolated.

That was a big step for me. I got tired of feeling rotten and hating myself for being a "hypocrite." I'm sure you found a great relief in NA that you weren't alone.

I never attended AA but won't rule it out. I have heard great things about AA and NA.

I have a strong faith in Jesus Christ and have had for 22 years, but that doesn't mean I can't and haven't failed. I blame this all on myself, not on any failure of the church or God.

To be candid, I am having to fall on my knees and completely surrender to God. I am a "work in progress" at the moment.

But I finally got to the age where I am now looking back on my life and thinking that want to have a little more to show for it that I have now. And I don't mean materially. Words like "honor" "integrity" "character" are really starting to slice at me.

SD

[discostu]

The one time I seriously contemplated ending it I couldn't do it because I couldn't insult my friends like that. I knew they were great friends and were doing everything they could, I knew the fault was all mine, but I knew they would blame themselves. That was the only reason I could come up with but it was compelling and I still think it's compelling, contemplating what you'll do to those you leave behind is something I don't think enough people do.

[Petronski]

Uh, no. Actually, I was hoping for abuse.

[mabelkitty]

I submit that therepy with a trained mental health professional should be treatment first - before prescription drugs are introduced. The drugs are not as safe as claimed. Studies have proven they can make depression worse.

[Dec31,1999]

It's good to know that you can choose not to do cocaine any longer.

[Lazamataz]

Sounds like you've worked some of the Steps without even knowing what they are. Step 1 is acknowledging you are powerless over your addiction, and that your life was unmanageable. You sound like you did that. Step 2 is acknowledging the existence of a Higher Power, and that He can restore you to sanity. You've done that. Step 3 is to turn your life and your will over to G-d. You've done that.

If you want, I can help you work the remaining steps by freepmail. I have a year clean so I'm allowed.

[Lazamataz]

It's good to know that you can choose not to do cocaine any longer.

I could never have made that choice on my own. It's impossible, at least for me. I needed G-d, NA, and my Sponsor, in that order.

[SerpentDove]

That would be great. thanks.

SD