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Did the Scandinavians beat Columbus to America twice?
Yahoo! News - AFP ^ | 10.22.03

Posted on 10/22/2003 6:39:07 AM PDT by mhking

STOCKHOLM (AFP) - Archeologists have already established that Viking explorers beat Christopher Columbus to America by about 500 years, but experts in Sweden now hope to determine whether another group of Scandinavians landed in the New World in 1362, 130 years before Columbus.

A 90-kilo (200-pound) rune stone, a block of stone featuring symbolic engravings common during the Viking era, has been sent from the United States to Sweden's Museum of National Antiquities to establish whether it really dates from 1362, as its markings claim, or is just a hoax.

If confirmed as an authentic relic, the so-called Kensington stone would prove that another wave of explorers, more than 300 years after the Vikings, made it to the American continent before Columbus did in 1492.

"The stone is very important. But whether or not history will have to be re-written because of this stone is very difficult to say," museum curator Karl-Olof Cederberg told AFP.

A farmer in Kensington, Minnesota claimed to have found the stone on his property in 1898. The man, Olof Ohman, originally from Sweden, immediately suspected it was a rune stone.

He handed the slab over to experts, many of whom dismissed it as a fake; after years of dispute over its origin, the stone was returned to Ohman, who put it to use as a doorstep.

Decades later, interest in the stone was resuscitated and it eventually ended up on display in various US museums, including the Smithsonian Institution (news - web sites) in Washington.

Now, a dozen experts have descended upon Sweden's Museum of National Antiquities -- which is featuring the rune stone in an exhibit that opens Thursday -- to examine the stone's inscriptions and geological composition to determine its true origin.

According to experts, the inscription, translated into English, reads:

"Eight Geats (southern Swedes) and 22 Norwegians on this exploration journey from Vinland in (unclear) west. We made camp at two (unclear) one day's journey north of this stone. We went fishing one day. Upon our return we found 10 men red from blood and death, Ave Maria. Save us from evil. There are 10 men down by the sea guarding our ships, 14 days' journey from this island. Year 1362."

Those who believe that the stone is authentic claim that the marshy surroundings of its origin were areas of water in 1362, and therefore the area in Minnesota where it was found was indeed an island at the time.

At least one US expert, Scott Walter, has concluded that the stone was exposed to weather and winds for several centuries, boosting the claim that it is authentic.

One theory is that the Swedish-Norwegian king Magnus Eriksson in 1354 sent a team of explorers to find out what had happened to an expedition he had sent to Greenland. It would be this team that ultimately ended up in Minnesota.

However, sceptics note that the era of Viking exploration is believed to have ended some 300 years before the stone's date, and point out that the Viking practice of engraving rune stones was no longer common in the 1300s.

Others also wonder whether a group that has just found 10 companions savagely murdered would hang around to laboriously engrave a rune stone.

The Stockholm museum is now pinning its hopes on modern technology and a group of Nordic experts to once and for all resolve the more than 100-year-old mystery of the Kensington stone.

"Whichever conclusions are drawn, they will be interesting. If it is a bluff, it's still interesting because it would show that emigrants used the stone as part of their identity-building, playing on the references to the Vikings," Cederberg said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
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1 posted on 10/22/2003 6:39:07 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Are they sure the rune didn't look like this?

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

2 posted on 10/22/2003 6:40:11 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
Did the Scandinavians beat Columbus to America twice?

I don't know, my grandfather didn't get here till 1902.

3 posted on 10/22/2003 6:43:29 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Karl Henriksson, från Sverige)
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To: anguish; AzSteven; Bartholomew Roberts; bc2; Charles Henrickson; duke_h3; Eurotwit; Jamten; ...
Hej! to the Swedish Ping List.
4 posted on 10/22/2003 6:45:10 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Karl Henriksson)
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To: mhking
Those who believe that the stone is authentic claim that the marshy surroundings of its origin were areas of water in 1362, and therefore the area in Minnesota where it was found was indeed an island at the time.

You mean the earth can change without the existance of SUVs?

5 posted on 10/22/2003 6:45:57 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Charles Henrickson
is there a Norwegian ping list? Uff da!
6 posted on 10/22/2003 6:50:27 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (Proudly posting without reading the article since October 12, 2003)
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To: mhking
When I was a kid in southeast Oklahoma, there was this big slab of sandstone near Heavener that was called the runestone. They've made a state park out of the area now, but if I remember correctly, they had dated those runes to around 800 AD.

If that's true, it's a pretty significant trashing to Columbus' claim of 'discovery.'

7 posted on 10/22/2003 6:53:35 AM PDT by Treebeard
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To: mhking
I always wondered how anybody could consider Columbus, or anybody else from Europe, "discovering" the Americas when roughly 20 million people already lived here and had for a dozen centuries...
8 posted on 10/22/2003 6:54:22 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: Fierce Allegiance
is there a Norwegian ping list? Uff da!

Jag vet inte, "I don't know." Start one up. That's what I did with the Swedish Ping List. Start by asking the FReepers listed by location under Norway.

10 posted on 10/22/2003 6:54:56 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Keeper of the Swedish Ping List.)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Did the Scandinavians beat Columbus to America twice?

Ja sure, you betcha!

11 posted on 10/22/2003 6:56:16 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Be a glowworm, a glowworm's never glum, cuz how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum.)
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12 posted on 10/22/2003 6:56:50 AM PDT by Slicksadick
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To: okchemyst
Scandinavians landed in the New World in 1362, 130 years before Columbus.

Who made it first has never mattered. Who made it stick has always mattered.

13 posted on 10/22/2003 6:57:21 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: mhking
Absolute bunk. Everyone knows you can't have an actual claim to discovery unless it lead to the total destruction of indigenous cultures. < /s>
14 posted on 10/22/2003 6:57:51 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (There's two kinds of people in the world. Those with loaded guns and those that dig.)
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To: mhking
Vikings! Vikings!
Husker Va!
Ve vant a touchdown!
JA! JA! JA!
15 posted on 10/22/2003 6:58:16 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Be a glowworm, a glowworm's never glum, cuz how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum.)
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To: Charles Henrickson
My great grandfather, Gustavis Adolphis Svenson, arrived from Vastervik, Sweden in 1902. The immigration authorities changed his name to Gus Swanson and that's what is on his gravestone.
16 posted on 10/22/2003 6:58:59 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Thermalseeker
After they immigrated from Asia.
17 posted on 10/22/2003 7:01:50 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: mhking

18 posted on 10/22/2003 7:06:08 AM PDT by 4mycountry (Here's to Bush '04, Mr. Limbaugh, the outlawing of speedos and the banning of kiddie animes! *glug*)
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To: Thermalseeker
This guy preceded the Asian immigrants by several centuries.


19 posted on 10/22/2003 7:09:24 AM PDT by ASA Vet (People have the governement they deserve.)
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To: Always Right; ScaniaBoy; Jamten; Ringman
. . . the existence of SUVs?

Skandinaviska Utforskande Vikingar.

20 posted on 10/22/2003 7:10:59 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson ("Scandinavian Exploring Vikings.")
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