Posted on 05/28/2023 11:11:05 AM PDT by entropy12
All told, the Republican presidential field might end up almost as large and divided as the one in 2016. Which is to say that the 2024 Republican primary is, at this stage, shaping up to be a retread of the one that catapulted Trump to the commanding heights of the American political system.
Once again, it is clear that many Republican elites would prefer to have someone other than Trump at the top of the ticket. But once again, those elites — donors, intellectuals, activists — are having a hard time finding a single alternative candidate to challenge the former president. DeSantis was supposed to play that part, but he has struggled to gain a foothold with Republican voters and has shown a tin ear for the challenges of national politics. As of Friday, he is far behind Trump in nearly every major poll of the national Republican primary electorate.
If DeSantis continues to recede, other candidates will try to claim his spot as the party’s main alternative to Trump. And therein lies the problem. As long as there are multiple candidates vying for this position, Trump has the political space he needs to consolidate his support, which is still much greater than his rivals’.
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“ but nomination is decided by voters and not politicians”
Nomination is decided by the rules of the GOP. There is no constitutional status of “running”, “nominations”, “parties”, or presidential elections for that matter.
Team Vivek
How I understand the process is primary elections are held in each state. And each state allocates delegates based on votes received. Unless GOP assigns huge number of “super delegates” at convention, the delegates elected from each state will pick the nominee during convention.
Yes! Trump 2024. Accept no substitutes. :-)
It’s amazing how dense some of these people ae. They never learn. They get burned by one RINO, and next election cycle, they go looking for the same sort of politician to rally around, convincing themselves that somehow it will be different this time (e.g. Yeah, Cruz turned out to be an con-man but DeSantis is the real deal. This time it will be different.)
In the mean time, we have that rarest of occurrences in Donald Trump, and people want to move past him, as if someone like him comes around every day.
So I guess we should all just wait till the next super-patriotic, independent billionaire, willing to fight the Uniparty and possessing Trump’s unique skillset, comes along.
I’d like to ask you a question if it is ok. What I find curious is the acceptance of Ron DeSantiss’ big money establishment donors and endorsements. Do you believe if he wins it all in 24 that he will govern according to his beliefs despite any agenda his donors have?
See I can’t accept the establishment endorsements and his big money donors. Can’t see them allowing him to run with anything other than their agenda.
Trump and the Seven Dwarfs
What about Trump and his big money donors and endorsements. After all, most of Desantis’s donors used to be Trump donors. As far as Desantis governing according to his beliefs, may I refer you to Disney to ask if Desantis is willing to oppose his largest donors?
Serious question: Trump supporters insult traditional Republicans. Trump supporters don’t seem to want Trump interacting with Traditional Republican Candidates. They seem to despise the Republican Party politics and politicians.
Why is Trump a Republican? With all of his support outside the Traditional Republican Party…why does he bother with them?
See I can’t accept the establishment endorsements and his big money donors. Can’t see them allowing him to run with anything other than their agenda.
First of all, the points made about his big money establishment donors is mostly hype made by the only Trumpers here at Free Republic.
Having said that, it WILL take big money establishment donors to suceed. Trump made it on his own in 2016 because he is a billionaire. But because he rejected the GOP-e, he lost (due to the Steal) in 2020 and again in 2022 when most of his endorsements lost.
Like it or not, the race in 2024 will be tied to the establishment and since Trump is facing a battle from Democrats, Republicans and DeSantis - he doesn't stand a chance.
All we can do is rely on DeSantis' excellant record as a conservative governor and hope for the best. We cannot afford to rely on Trump and his recent failures.
And thanks for asking a very reasonable question. I know my anwer will infuriate only Trumpers as they have and will continue to insult me as their only recourse.
Why is Trump a Republican? With all of his support outside the Traditional Republican Party…why does he bother with them?
Good question. I hear this occasionally from only Trumpers:
If somehow Trump is denied the GOP nomination he should go third party and run against the Democrat and DeSantis.
To which I answer: Bull Moose Party.
What only Trumpers are suggesting is exactly what Teddy Roosevelt tried in 1912 when as a former president he failed to win his party's nomination, so he went third party.
And we all know how that worked out.
Only Trumpers need to face facts. Trump is alone here. He has no support from the Democrats or the Republicans.
Why is Trump a Republican?
Fair question.
Trump is not really a Republican is he?
Not sure Teddy Roosevelt was either.
But a national candidate NEEDS a national ticket to run on.
Roosevelt proved that when he went Bull Moose.
The problem is that the two parties have a MONOPOLY, particularly in what are termed closed primary states.
Think about the TYRANNY of closed primary states.
The parties get a FREE RIDE from taxpayers as their primaries are funded with public monies.
In the 1800’s there really were not primaries but at least the costs of nominating major parties candidates were not funded by taxpayers.
Today all primaries are funded with public monies.
But the primaries are NOT open.
In many states in order to vote in a primary you must declare an affiliation with the party.
In some states if you ask for a primary ballot of one party, you are automatically put on the roles as a member of that party.
It’s pretty neat, isn’t it, the CORRUPT major parties don’t even have to pay for the record keeping of their “affiliated” members.
Trump is a businessman not a politician.
Businessman are problem solvers.
Given his druthers he would probably not like to be affiliated with either party.
But as a pragmatic problem solver, he understands he needs a ballot slot of which there are only TWO that matter.
Multi-party systems don’t work very well, the United Kingdom is a prime example.
I’ve NEVER voted Democrat at least in any state or national election.
Yet I would be ASHAMED to have my name listed as a member of either CORRUPT party.
I, like Trump have been held hostage to a corrupt two party system which forces “binary choices”.
My “binary” choice has always been to vote for the lesser of two evils.
His binary choice was which party do I have go with to get my name on the ballot in a national general election for POTUS.
“Traditional” Republicans as you call them should be glad Trump has chosen to run with one of the two major parties.
Had he chosen the option of running on a third party then the Republicans would have no chance just as Daddy Bush had no chance when Perot ran third party nor did Humphrey have a chance when Wallace went third party in 1968.
As for traditional Republicans as you call them, the may be delusional in this regard.
For quite some time, there has only been one party with two wings.
The Uniparty’s only goal is perpetuating the uncontrolled and unsustainable growth of the social welfare state, the corporate welfare state and the military industrial complex.
That perpetuation was celebrated today by Uniparty pooh bah Newt Gingrich when he proclaimed a victory in the raising of the debt ceiling.
DeSantis previously stated that if Trump ran for reelection in 2024, he (DeSantis) would not run against Trump in the primaries. I specifically recall seeing a video of him stating such. I think it was about 6mos ago, possibly longer.
More or less correct analysis - the attention to President Trump is not divided. The attention all of his opponents is.
Yes, Vivek is an outstanding addition in the ring.
Agree and he’s done more good in one term than any other president has it’s what the D.C. elites fear the most it takes a chunk out of their kickback scams.
MAGA isn’t on their agenda self profit and long term jobs are.
I also remember the same thing. However DeSantis can not go against the orders from his rich donor class, almost all of who consider Trump a thorn in their money making bonanza with cheap labor from abroad.
American Last is the motto of rich donor class.
Yes, their agenda can summed up in 2 words...AMERICA LAST.
I’ll say it again, if only DeSantis had waited until 2028 he would have been a shoo in. He’s blowing his future presidential aspirations by running now.
But what are we doing to do about election fraud in 2024? Unless that's solved, any Republican will lose.
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