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To: simicyber
Homosexuality (abnormal though it may be), does not violate the rights of anyone, provided it is practiced privately among consenting adults.

I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults in their own bedrooms, is pathological.

2 posted on 01/29/2002 5:20:54 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
I don't see anything sexual about mutual masturbation . . .
3 posted on 01/29/2002 5:25:08 AM PST by Crowcreek
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To: OWK
I agree with you totally. But I also believe something else needs to be said as well. The pathological need of homosexuals to attempt to normalize their deviant behavior needs to be stopped. I propose that all so called sex education in schools be eliminated. It's not the goverment would should be talking to my kids about something like that. It's especially not acceptable for the government to attempt to convince my children that deviant/dangerous/unhealthy sex is ok.
7 posted on 01/29/2002 5:28:29 AM PST by ChuckHam
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To: OWK
I will stop speaking out against it once the schools stop teaching it to our kids.
8 posted on 01/29/2002 5:28:56 AM PST by artw
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To: OWK
I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults in their own bedrooms, is pathological

I could not agree more. So why don't grown human beings who like to get their orgasms with the same sex....however that works for um....keep it to themselves, and IN THE BEDROOMS and out of our faces? I mean, what could be MORE pathological that wanting to be identified by what particular avenue you like to get your sexual gratification? It is NO ONES business. Yet homosexuals seem to think it is their primary identifying feature. They bring their sexual proclivities OUT of the BEDROOM and into our faces! Pathological? YOU BET!

11 posted on 01/29/2002 5:35:33 AM PST by Republic
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To: OWK;*BRAAD; JMJ333; Tourist Guy; EODGUY; proud2bRC; abandon; Khepera; Dakmar; RichInOC...
Nobody cares what sodomites do in the privacy of their own bedrooms. The trouble only occurs when it becomes public knowledge. To keep it private and not public I would recommend enforcing the sodomy laws and prosecuting individuals who let their private lives become public. The sodomite community does not want that because they want to solicit deviant sex in public. In bars, in bathrooms, in parks, wherever they may be. They also want to solicit sex from our children as the push for lower ages of consent. They want to remove the stigma of sodomite sexual practices and have endorsement from government so that when our children resist they can say “but hey look the government says it is ok.” The sodomite lifestyle is not normal or healthy for society as a whole and should not be endorsed.

Arrest and prosecute homosexuals the same as we do for people who have sex with animals or children. There is no difference as they are all deviants who deserve jail time. If they are in the privacy of their own bedrooms and between consenting adults then I would ask “Why then, do we know about their activities?” The answer is simple; “Its because it is not private” They seem to want everyone to know about it.

14 posted on 01/29/2002 5:39:30 AM PST by Khepera
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To: OWK
"I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults in their own bedrooms, is pathological."

I think we agree, OWK. I also think we agree that public promotion of any sexuality under the guise of tolerance, diversity, and education is equally 'SHAMful' and does not give equal time to an 'alternative morality' viewed(if though not always practiced) as the so-called 'Christian' lifestyle.--(substitute 'alternative' for 'Christian' and it becomes 'politically correct'.

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"The words of homosexual activist Camille Paglia are equally telling: "Homosexuality is not ‘normal.’ On the contrary, it is a challenge to the norm . . . Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction . . . No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous . . . homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait.""

While the ... indicates there may be some 'context' issues with Sheldon's piece, I, personally, think that the so-called 'rise in gayness' is due to single parent families and 'homosexual' activists. Without mutual defenses of mother and father, tendencies lean toward the biases of the available parent or an outsider waiting to prey.

18 posted on 01/29/2002 5:45:25 AM PST by d14truth
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To: OWK
You statement is true with one exception. The homosexual community has forced its agenda (and it is diverse and broad) on all Americans. We see nearly every TV show sporting some kind of gay character. Just as unwanted advances among heterosexual people are discomforting...in fact we have laws in the workplace governing this, we see this agenda being advanced by the major media outlets. It is or can be equated to the unwanted advances crowd, which I find a reasonable reaction. Not everyone in the country is gay or wants to be. Not everyone wants to ehar about it on every tv show or in every movie. It gets a bit tiresome after a while. While practiced in the bedroom among consenting adults is one thing...head on out to San Francisco, South Beach, Fl or other high homosexual dense areas and your comment does not hold water.
19 posted on 01/29/2002 5:46:50 AM PST by irish guard
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To: OWK
I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults in their own bedrooms, is pathological.

I'm totally opposed to this nonsense that often comes from the Gay rights movement of trying to push homosex on the rest of the country, especially through school sex ed programs. Not only is it ridiculous and impossible, but it gives people like Rev. Sheldon an arsenal of armor piercing rounds to shoot back with. Having said that, I simply can't understand, for the life of me, why so many conservative Christians focus so passionately on homosexuality as the chief cultural threat to defeat. Promiscuous heterosexuality is, by far, the greatest threat to marriage and the family, not gayety.

22 posted on 01/29/2002 5:52:25 AM PST by helmsman
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To: OWK
I agree with you, subject to a couple of caveats, and believe that one can accept individual homosexuals, regard their behavior with toleration (rather than acceptance), and still regard the behavior as deviant and not to be encouraged.

My primary caveat is that there should be absolutely NO tolerance of homosexual pedophilia (which I would define as any homosexual overtures (or more) by anyone 18 or over with anyone under 18) - it should be a capital crime and zealously prosecuted. Homosexual pedophilia should not be equated with heterosexual 'statutory rape' situations involving girls or boys in their teens, assuming physical maturity - there's nothing deviant about it. (I'm not talking about the more traditional heterosexual pedophila of adult men and prepubescent females - that's also intolerable).

There are a number of distinctions that should be drawn, but rarely are:

There is behavior that is criminal;
behavior that is not criminal, but not socially acceptable or even tolerable;
behavior that is tolerable, but not socially acceptable; behavior that is socially acceptable but not admirable;
behavior that is acceptable or admirable that is required;
there is behavior that is admirable, but not required; and
behavior that is especially admirable, but goes so far beyond what is expected that it is heroic (superogatory acts).

Notice that the law can only sanction criminal acts, those which are prohibited. What has happened in the past decade of Clintonism is that people are seriously arguing that any behavior that is not illegal is acceptable. This is arrant nonsense. There are many areas where the use of the power of the state is inappropriate, but private, voluntary social sanctions (e.g. refusing to trade, snubbing, etc.) are appropriate.

28 posted on 01/29/2002 6:01:01 AM PST by CatoRenasci
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To: OWK
Homosexuality (abnormal though it may be), does not violate the rights of anyone, provided it is practiced privately among consenting adults.

Provided it does not lead to any diseases that can be transmitted to nonconsenting persons, and whose treatment has to be be financed by taxpayers.

29 posted on 01/29/2002 6:03:25 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: OWK
Has noting to do with "violating" anyone's rights. But if the destruction of the family, the church and society concerns you, if the premature death of men and women concerns you, if rampant disease (including more hepatitis than they have assigned letters to) concerns you, if the molestation of young children and the deliberate sexual perversion of the young concerns you then homosexuality will concern you.
30 posted on 01/29/2002 6:03:43 AM PST by ethical
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To: OWK
Wrong. It harms families, and it harms communities. Although you'd love to continue to pretend that virtually everything "consenting" you do is your selfish right no matter the harm, ultimately you'll be proven wrong.

You can choose your actions. You're not free to choose the consequences.

31 posted on 01/29/2002 6:04:40 AM PST by Illbay
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To: OWK
I think this inablity to see that these 'consenting adults' are forcing what should be their private sexuality into our public lives and our living rooms is pathological.

Quite simply, if it were private then how would any of us know about it? The fact is that it is no longer private. Being private doesn't serve the agenda. They are attempting to use the government to make homosexuality the legal equivalent of heterosexuality so as to force us to acknowledge some nonexistant moral equivalency between the two. They'll never do that, of course, but they will be able to use the force of government to further marginalize and isolate people of faith.

43 posted on 01/29/2002 6:12:29 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: OWK
The idea that homosexuality in the private bedrooms of consenting adults is a pantload. The cost of keeping an AIDs patient alive is financialy crippling to the state, Insur. co., and any living relative. AIDs is just one of the many disease that come's with promiscuous homosexl. behavior.

Don't forget that the gay community can not reproduce therefore they must recruit, and they target the young, while they're still impressionable.

Rampant homosexuality has been at the core of almost every society that has collapsed from within.

It doesn't matter from a Christian or Darwinism point of view, either way it is a lose, lose situation. From a Christian point of view, we must remember that God love's the sinner, but hate's the sin

49 posted on 01/29/2002 6:19:10 AM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: OWK
STATEMENT:"Homosexuality....does not violate the rights of anyone..."

Reply: It violates my Will(and the Will of the majority) Under modern theories of law "Will" is the basis of law see e.g. CC 22 "Law is an expression of will.

STATEMENT:"...provided it is practiced privately among consenting adults."

REPLY: A phrase loaded with assumptions e.g. tomorrow the legislature decrees an adult is a male ten years old. Unless the two practitioners are identical twin sodomites raised in a house and never going out they must meet somewhere outside the home. Their "courtship" in public is offensive. My 17 year old daughter has the "right" to be free from the sight of their courtship.

STATEMENT: " I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults..."

REPLY:" I think this obsession with removing laws as to consenting adults is pathological.

STATEMENT:" I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults..."

REPLY: This assumes the function of law is to control behavior. Where in the hell did you pick up this assumption. There was an older theory-no longer followed, that the function of law was social control. The law gives freedom. For the sodomite-as does any criminal-has choice. To do or not to do.

59 posted on 01/29/2002 6:36:30 AM PST by HENRYADAMS
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To: OWK
I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults in their own bedrooms, is pathological.

You and your sodomite buddies insist on shoving your disgugisting culture of in death in peoples' faces and using government abuse of power to make them accept what everyone know is wrong. You trash suborn public education to brainwash children. You nazis extort my tax dollars to treat your disgusting diseases, so stuff your false victinology and go back to n.a.m.b.l.a. where you belong.

63 posted on 01/29/2002 6:44:34 AM PST by Unbeliever
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To: OWK
I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults in their own bedrooms, is pathological.

This is the sh-t waving the stick.(No off-color double-entendre intended)!The obsession lies with the homosexuals' insistence that;
1.You and I agree that their "life-style" is no different morally than heterosexuality.
2.That anyone who believes that homosexuality is wrong is guilty of a crime!
3.Regardless of what you think about the matter,your children should be taught from an early age that this is an acceptable alternative to normal,heterosexual relations.

At least you chose to use two words,pathology and obsession,that are indispensible in any frank discussion of this issue.

Hic dicta,I agree with your assertion that the issue of what people do in the privacy of their homes is not the proper business of government at any level.

73 posted on 01/29/2002 7:10:09 AM PST by kennyo
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To: OWK
Homosexuality (abnormal though it may be), does not violate the rights of anyone, provided it is practiced privately among consenting adults. I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults in their own bedrooms, is pathological.

Actually, private sexuality is really not what the debate is about. Civil marriage is a public matter, as is the adoption of children. Sex acts in public bathrooms and parks are, obviously, a public matter.

The spread of disease is a public matter and the dissemation of accurate information concerning how the disease is spread is a critically public matter. How to prioritize the use of limited public money to contain and seek cures for all disease is a public matter.

What requirments to place on military personnel to have the most effective force is also a public matter.

I will grant you that the hiring and firing of one's employees is -- or should be -- a private matter.

89 posted on 01/29/2002 7:34:13 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: OWK
I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults in their own bedrooms, is pathological.

I don't see anything in the article that suggests a desire to control consenting adults. Your obsession with inserting language that doesn't exist is what is truly pathological.

Homosexuality is not normal, and many reasonable people resent them and especially their children being bombarded with propaganda to the contrary. In fact, to glorify the homosexual lifestyle for children is, in my opinion, a flagrant form of child sexual emotional abuse.

137 posted on 01/29/2002 8:54:58 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: OWK
"I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults in their own bedrooms, is pathological."

I think the aims of the gays to convert America to their filthy image is sick and perverse.

139 posted on 01/29/2002 8:57:18 AM PST by Don Myers
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