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To: OWK
I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults in their own bedrooms, is pathological.

I'm totally opposed to this nonsense that often comes from the Gay rights movement of trying to push homosex on the rest of the country, especially through school sex ed programs. Not only is it ridiculous and impossible, but it gives people like Rev. Sheldon an arsenal of armor piercing rounds to shoot back with. Having said that, I simply can't understand, for the life of me, why so many conservative Christians focus so passionately on homosexuality as the chief cultural threat to defeat. Promiscuous heterosexuality is, by far, the greatest threat to marriage and the family, not gayety.

22 posted on 01/29/2002 5:52:25 AM PST by helmsman
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To: helmsman
I'm totally opposed to this nonsense that often comes from the Gay rights movement of trying to push homosex on the rest of the country, especially through school sex ed programs.

Me too, but my suggested answer to that problem, is the elimination of the socialist construct known as "public schools".... not government control of homosexuals.

24 posted on 01/29/2002 5:54:45 AM PST by OWK
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To: helmsman
Having said that, I simply can't understand, for the life of me, why so many conservative Christians focus so passionately on homosexuality as the chief cultural threat to defeat.

Archbishop Fulton Sheen was once asked, "What is the secret to becoming a popular preacher?"

"Easy. Preach about the sins they don't commit."

32 posted on 01/29/2002 6:05:05 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: helmsman
Promiscuous heterosexuality is, by far, the greatest threat to marriage and the family, not gayety.

Your point is well taken.Once you arrive at the point that gratification is the desired end,how you get there becomes less and less important.What homosexuality brings into the equation is sado-masochism.

57 posted on 01/29/2002 6:32:46 AM PST by kennyo
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To: helmsman
It is time for a Randian alert. Ayn Rand was a compulsive adulteress. Pick up the movie "The Passion of Ayn Rand" for the details. She was also a militant atheist from her earliest youth. She described religion as "the witch doctor."

Her followers are not at all necessarily homosexual but they certainly have no moral objection to those who are, likewise with adultery. It is hard to worship la Rand while recognizing marriage as a contract. Rand is quite confused on matters of this sort. La Rand was a very jealous ideological taskmaster and would brook no heresy. To be a Randian one must learn to slavishly adapt to the values (???) of the Randian cult. She excommunicated Murray Rothbard for marrying an Episcopalian, no less.

Randianism, aka Objectivism, is more than just economic libertarianism or even libertarianism as to your personal "lifestyle." If you really want to be a Randian (and I am not suggesting that you do but rather that OWK is), it is regrettably necessary to regard religion as "the witch doctor." As with Margaret Sanger, don't believe me. Read Rand's shrill essays. She was the the ayatollah of godless capitalism. The godless part being at least as important as the capitalist part.

Finally, she urged people in her newsletter to vote against Ronald Reagan in 1980 because his election would be the worst thing that could possibly happen that year because he was opposed to abortion. To make a long story short, Ronald Reagan was elected and re-elected and probably did a better job than James Earl Carter did or Wally Mondale would have done even though both favored abortion.

As they say, the devil can quote the Bible to his own purposes. I have no doubt that OWK would abolish government schools as socialist institutions. That too is perfectly Randian but it is the advancing of moral degeneracy that was Rand's real forte. A close reading of her novels and their main characters also displays a soft spot for sado-masochism.

Many of us thrilled to Randian prose as unsophisticated teenagers. Most of us have grown up.

88 posted on 01/29/2002 7:32:51 AM PST by BlackElk
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To: helmsman
Promiscuous heterosexuality is, by far, the greatest threat to marriage and the family, not gayety.

Actually, they're two sides of the same coin - symptoms of a diseased culture and mindset. I can't tell you how many individuals I knew in college who marched seamlessly from promiscuous heterosexuality into homosexuality. The greatest threat to marriage and the family is the erosion of traditional Christian values amongst much of the population.
163 posted on 01/29/2002 9:20:28 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: helmsman
Promiscuous heterosexuality is, by far, the greatest threat to marriage and the family, not gayety.

Amen.

I have been saying that for years to anyone who will listen, and the number is quite small. I ask people who rail on this subject why it is that they never include promiscuity as a problem. Most times they never answer at all, the rest mumble something like "OH yeah, thats bad too" and then return to their crusade against certain sins.

197 posted on 01/29/2002 10:02:50 AM PST by Protagoras
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