Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

A Mormon confronts his myths: faces expulsion for refuting link between Indians and Israelites
National Post ^ | December 03, 2002 | Jan Cienski

Posted on 12/17/2002 6:38:14 PM PST by Polycarp

A Mormon confronts his myths

Anthropologist faces expulsion for refuting link between Indians and Israelites

Jan Cienski

National Post

Tuesday, December 03, 2002

CREDIT: The Canadian Press

Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is said to have discovered a tablet that revealed American Indians were the descendants of ancient Hebrews. The assertion is contrary to historical fact.

A Mormon anthropologist is facing excommunication after finding no genetic link between American Indians and the ancient Hebrews of Israel, questioning one of the central tenets of his church.

Thomas Murphy conducted a review of the existing scientific literature and concluded that the evidence points to the Asian origin of Indians, who scientists say migrated across the Bering Strait millennia ago. "There is no evidence an ancient group of Israelites made it to the Americas as it says in the Book of Mormon," he said.

In response, the leader of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Washington state has convened a hearing for this Sunday "because you are reported to have been in apostasy," as he wrote in a letter asking Mr. Murphy to recant.

Mr. Murphy, 35, who heads the anthropology department at Edmonds Community College in Lynnwood, Wash., has refused, and faces expulsion from the Church.

"I'm not totally surprised by the reaction," he said. "In the mid-'90s there was an attempt to purge the Church of intellectuals. I'm fully aware that the Church has not always embraced its scholars."

While the official Church spokesman in Salt Lake City will not comment on Mr. Murphy's case, his poking around in the historicity of the Church's founding documents is a long-running sore point for Mormons dating back to their religion's earliest days.

The controversy began with Mormon founder Joseph Smith, who, under direction from the angel Moroni, unearthed golden tablets in the 1820s written in an ancient Egyptian text that revealed American Indians were the descendants of ancient Hebrews who had fled to the New World in 600 BC and that Jesus Christ had ministered to them after his death in Jerusalem.

The Book of Mormon details elaborate cities and societies across the Americas built by those settlers.

The problem is that no archeological evidence has been found to support the idea.

In the early years of the last century, Mormon explorers wandered Mayan ruins of Central America hoping to find some confirmation for the Book of Mormon.

The most famous, Thomas Stewart Ferguson, spent 25 years in the jungles of Central America before concluding, "You can't set Book of Mormon geography down anywhere because it is fictional and will never meet the requirements of dirt-archeology."

The Church has tried to meet such criticism by amending some teachings, now holding that perhaps not all Indians descend from Biblical peoples and amending Smith's geography. The orthodox view is strongly defended by the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City, which sponsors research validating the historicity of Smith's translation.

"Most Latter-day Saints may say that the Bering Strait migration is true for some folks," said John P. Livingstone, associate professor of Church history and doctrine at Brigham Young University. "I don't think that is theologically worrying."

Mr. Livingstone explained away Mr. Murphy's survey of genetic research by saying that God may have changed Indian DNA "to create different languages," adding, "The Church of Latter-day Saints and science have gotten along well."

But for people such as Mr. Murphy, science and faith are at odds and attempts to gloss over historical problems create a crisis of faith.

The book for which Mr. Murphy wrote his paper, American Apocrypha: Essays on the Book of Mormon, attempts to deal with that disconnect between religion and science.

"Mormon students are confronting this stuff every day and they have no support network. Mormon students capable of thinking critically are finding themselves in turmoil," Mr. Murphy said, comparing their struggle to that of fundamentalist Christian creationists forced to re-examine or defend their beliefs when taught biology and science based on evolution.

Using some of the same techniques pioneered by the Jesus Seminar, a group of liberal theologians who hunt for the historical Jesus discounting everything from the virgin birth to the resurrection as fiction, the Mormon scholars have come to similar conclusions, finding the Book of Mormon is likely a literary construct of Joseph Smith, but one with spiritual weight.

"To acknowledge the obvious fictional quality of the Book of Mormon is not to detract from the beauty and brilliance of the sermons, visions and other imagery," reads the introduction to American Apocrypha.

For Mormons such as Mr. Murphy, denying the literal truth of the Book of Mormon while treating it as useful mythology in much the same way most Christians treat the creation story in Genesis is the only way to hang on to their faith.

"My aspiration is to create a space within Mormonism for the discussion of the Book of Mormon as fiction but still as scripture," he said.

But the Mormon Church is unlikely to see it that way during Sunday's disciplinary hearing, and Mr. Murphy fully expects to be drummed out of the Church.

"I'm a Mormon culturally whether they like it or not," he said. "I will continue to write and publish as a member of the Mormon intellectual community.... This issue is not going to go away."

jcienski@nationalpost.com

© Copyright 2002 National Post


TOPICS: Ecumenism; General Discusssion; History; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: anthropology; archaeology; catholiclist; excommunication; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; indian; lie; mormon; nativeamericans; precolumbian; smiththeliar
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 421-429 next last
To: restornu
The Tanners have been caught in so many lies, ommisions, distortion etc. I don't even bother correcting their stuff anymore, I do have a life choose not to spend it on those who have no creditability!

By whom and list them

81 posted on 12/20/2002 2:53:36 PM PST by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: RnMomof7
That's your perception. And you forgot the Doctrine and Covenants.
82 posted on 12/20/2002 2:55:45 PM PST by Utah Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 78 | View Replies]

To: restornu; Ruy Dias de Bivar
The mormon church has always taught that the Bible has been perverted and not reliable
That is a distrotion and a lie!

8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

How did the LDS Church come to accept the Book of Mormon as "the word of God"? It came about as a result of its belief that God today continues to speak to the world through divine revelation that as authoritative and binding as the inspired declaration of the Biblical prophets and holy men. This claim, asserted by Joseph Smith, the church's founder since its 1830 inception, was finally clarifed as a doctrinal belief called continual revelation and is concisely defined in the LDS Church's Ninth Article of Faith:

83 posted on 12/20/2002 2:58:08 PM PST by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: RnMomof7
I asked politely and got #74 as an answer.
84 posted on 12/20/2002 3:00:09 PM PST by fishtank
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: P-Marlowe; Wrigley; White Mountain; Grig; Chemnitz; Bat_Chemist; CARepubGal
***I suppose the only way to know the truth would be to take our cardiac temperatures, huh?***

You're not trying to get me to discuss meat thermometers again, are you?

I would never suggest actually using a meat thermometer to measure the caloric level of a living human torso (are you lurking, White Mountain?).

However, you could slap a piece of bacon on your chest and see if it sizzles.

"If the bacon frys, it can't be lies!"
85 posted on 12/20/2002 3:00:41 PM PST by drstevej
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 79 | View Replies]

To: drstevej
"If the bacon frys, it can't be lies!"

ROTFLMHO LOLOL

86 posted on 12/20/2002 3:03:10 PM PST by Wrigley
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 85 | View Replies]

To: RnMomof7
Psst, Mom, they can't find any relics there. The search for the 'real' Hill Cumorah continues.

87 posted on 12/20/2002 3:04:49 PM PST by Wrigley
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies]

To: Wrigley
The LDS paid alot of money for that substitute land..
88 posted on 12/20/2002 3:15:25 PM PST by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 87 | View Replies]

To: Utah Girl
Do you not see the BOM and the "Pearl of Great Price" as more accurate than the Bible as it is the revelation of Joseph Smith..you accept that as truth but the bible only true as interpreted correctly
89 posted on 12/20/2002 3:18:22 PM PST by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

To: drstevej
You're not trying to get me to discuss meat thermometers again, are you?

I musta missed it. I suppose a meat thermometer could prove to be an effective scientific instrument for testing the Mormon "born again" experience, eh?

The problem is that we would need to follow the bicycle guys around until they find a new recruit and then when he prays the "show me a sign, Lord" prayer, we could strap the thermometer on their chest and see if it really burns.

If the temperatures rise, it can't be lies.

90 posted on 12/20/2002 3:19:54 PM PST by P-Marlowe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 85 | View Replies]

To: RnMomof7
We study the Bible two years out of every four years on the Sunday School study cycle. And yes, I'll stand by the 9th Article of Faith. We take truth wherever we can find it. The Bible has been translated many times down through the centuries, and the words have been changed. It is hard to translate without losing some of the meaning, and some of the lost truth was lost either because of innocent misinterpretations or through deliberate changing of passages. We believe the Bible to be the word of God.
91 posted on 12/20/2002 3:26:28 PM PST by Utah Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: RnMomof7
Than either you were not paying attention in those previous threads or you choose not to remember?

Get real R7 the Bible has been through many hands over 5000 years, even Moses had to received a recap of the of the beganning for those records were losted or taken?

Yes we are blessed for the Bible we have. That which was mention was not for a source of contention for to the LDS all scripture is of great value! You just want to make it a "Us vs.Them" and that just isn't so! You have never been to any of our Gospel studies. We have a delightful time learning and understanding.

92 posted on 12/20/2002 3:30:32 PM PST by restornu
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]

To: Utah Girl
***It is hard to translate without losing some of the meaning, and some of the lost truth was lost either because of innocent misinterpretations or through deliberate changing of passages. ***

The historical evidence argues that the deliberate changing was done by Joseph Smith. An this can hardly be termed innocent.

Is there any shred of evidence for JS's translation of Romans 8:30
93 posted on 12/20/2002 3:44:58 PM PST by drstevej
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 91 | View Replies]

To: restornu
http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/abdiscr/abdiscr.htm

Hi RNU,

This is an interesting website. I looked for it under the google search term "who killed goliath" after we had a talk about the topic in church last week.

After several discussions with people this week, I had a few conclusions:

(1) Jesus accepted the OT as the Word of God in the form that it was in 2000 years ago. We are VERY sure that what we have now is the virtually same as what Jesus had then. Most of the "discrepancies" were created by copyist error before the time of Christ, since the Masorete scribes developed an unbelievably good QA/QC system at about the time of Christ. Plus the DSS (dead Sea scrolls) verify the OT record.

(2) The NT record is astonishingly good. There are thousands of extant copies from the earliest years of the Church. From them, there is a small extrapolation in time to the original manuscripts. I am confident that if a believer has a good parallel Bibel (I have one with the KJV, NASB, NIV and Amp versions all side by side) in front of him/her, that you have the original Word of God.

Blessings for Christmas.
May the Eternal God who
left Heaven for earth
and at a point in time became
flesh bring you into the
light of truth.

I hope my correspondence with you
will show you that my concern is
genuine, not to win an argument,
because that is hollow. But God's
true grace is truly awesome if we
understand His gift to be from an
eternal, infinite God who EMPTIED
Himself to become flesh.
To be resurrected into His presence
as a humble but glorified man will
not be a disappointment to me at all.
Yes, He will glorify me, but I will be
more than happy to bow before His feet,
to tell Him that He is Worthy to receive
glory, honor and power.

Goodbye for now. I hope you receive this note with all kindness.




94 posted on 12/20/2002 3:49:25 PM PST by fishtank
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 92 | View Replies]

To: Utah Girl
Will you cover that part about "there is none other God but one?"

Or will you will you skip over to Joseph Smith's blasphemous travesty of the next verse?

95 posted on 12/20/2002 3:53:28 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: restornu
Comb the old freeper threads for the House of Vomit HOV/Tanners like a dog who returns to it vomits! continue your dine!

The sweet fruit of the true gospel...

96 posted on 12/20/2002 4:02:36 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: RnMomof7
Better safe than sorry I suppose.
97 posted on 12/20/2002 4:04:59 PM PST by Wrigley
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 88 | View Replies]

To: drstevej
"Grig didn't answer because he can't answer it."

Amazing. Not only do you claim you can look into the past and know why people did things, you also claim you can look into my heart and mind and know what is there too. Some people would look on that as some kind of mental condition.

Nobody ever denied that there are differences between the JST and KJV, it's a matter of record that there are differences. You claim they are there as some kind of cover up, I claim they are there by revelation from God. My point was that pointing to currently known manuscripts (none of which are the original) doesn't prove anything, so the question you asked about them is irrelavent. Of course, instead of deal with that point, you would rather duck it and accuse me of the things you do.
98 posted on 12/20/2002 4:17:03 PM PST by Grig
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: RnMomof7; fishtank
Here's a page to get started regarding the Tanners:

http://www.fairlds.org/apol/ai188.html
99 posted on 12/20/2002 4:20:12 PM PST by pseudogratix
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: drstevej
"We get lots of subjective, "You ask me how I know it's true? I know cause I got a burnin' heart!""

You gave up the the right to use that line when you posted that bit about how the spirit whispered to your spirit that our church is false. If you can follow voices in your head, you can't legitimatly make complaints like the above about others.
100 posted on 12/20/2002 4:20:31 PM PST by Grig
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 421-429 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson