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Vatican rumblings: Pope Francis aiming to end Latin Mass permission
LifeSite News ^ | July 26, 2017 | John Henry-Westen

Posted on 07/26/2017 10:35:48 AM PDT by ebb tide

Sources inside the Vatican suggest that Pope Francis aims to end Pope Benedict XVI’s universal permission for priests to say the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM), also known as the Extraordinary Form of the Mass. While the course of action would be in tune with Pope Francis’ repeatedly expressed disdain for the TLM especially among young people, there has been no open discussion of it to date.

Sources in Rome told LifeSite last week that liberal prelates inside the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith were overheard discussing a plan ascribed to the Pope to do away with Pope Benedict’s famous document that gave priests freedom to offer the ancient rite of the Mass.

Catholic traditionalists have just celebrated the tenth anniversary of the document, Summorum Pontificum. Pope Benedict XVI issued it in 2007, giving all Latin Rite priests permission to offer the TLM without seeking permission of their bishops, undoing a restriction placed on priests after the Second Vatican Council.

The motu proprio outraged liberal bishops as it stripped them of the power to forbid the TLM, as many did. Previously priests needed their bishop’s permission to offer the TLM.

Additionally, Summorum Pontificum stated that wherever a group of the faithful request the TLM, the parish priests should willingly agree to their request.

The overheard plans are nearly identical to comments from an important Italian liturgist in an interview published by France’s La Croix earlier this month. Andrea Grillo a lay professor at the Pontifical Athenaeum of St Anselmo in Rome, billed by La Croix as “close to the Pope,” is intimately familiar Summorum Pontificum. Grillo in fact published a book against Summorum Pontificum before the papal document was even released.

Grillo told La Croix that Francis is considering abolishing Summorum Pontificum. According to Grillo, once the Vatican erects the Society of Saint Pius X as a Personal Prelature, the Roman Rite will be preserved only within this structure. "But [Francis] will not do this as long as Benedict XVI is alive.”

The plan, as related to LifeSite, involved making an agreement with the Society of St. Pius X and, with that agreement in place, sequestering those Catholics wanting the TLM to the SSPX. For most, that would strip them of access to the TLM since there would not be nearly enough SSPX priests to service Catholics wanting the TLM worldwide.

Moreover, LifeSite’s source suggested that the plan may explain a May 20, 2017 letter by the recently ousted Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, Cardinal Gerhard Müller. Even though Cardinal Müller wanted the SSPX fully reconciled to help fight modernists in the Church, the May 20 letter seemed to scuttle an agreement between Pope Francis and the SSPX which would see them get a personal prelature. The letter includes provisions long known to be completely unacceptable to the SSPX, thus nullifying an understanding SSPX leader Bishop Bernard Fellay believed was imminent.

The LifeSite source suggested that the May 20 letter by Muller perhaps was written because he knows what Francis was up to and wanted to avoid the plan to bury Summorum Pontificum with Pope Benedict. “It’s directed not so much against Fellay but against the agreement,” said the source. “Pope Francis was very angry that document came out from Cardinal Muller and some say that’s why he made the decision to dismiss him.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Worship
KEYWORDS: b16; benedict16; benedictxvi; catholic; francis; francischurch; latin; liturgy; mass; muller; pope; popefrancis; sspx; summorumpontificum; tlm; vatican
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I find the last sentence of the article above hard to believe. In Müller's letter to Bishop Fellay, he concluded:

“...during the Audience granted to the Cardinal Prefect on May 20 2017, the Sovereign Pontiff approved these decisions”.

There has since been no denial from Francis of Muller's assertion.

1 posted on 07/26/2017 10:35:48 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Is the Pope Catholic?

No, really. Is he?


2 posted on 07/26/2017 10:37:18 AM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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To: ebb tide
"But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light..." (1 Pet. 2:9).

Who frees us?

3 posted on 07/26/2017 10:40:57 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: ebb tide

https://www.amazon.com/Political-Pope-Delighting-Abandoning-Conservatives-ebook/dp/B01LL8C2G4/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1500054977&sr=8-1&keywords=political+pope&linkCode=ll1&tag=thomacom-20&linkId=b16b3414ab408c286f39b9912f748030

I heard a podcast recently with the author of this book. In light of this article, the author was amazingly prescient. He said Francis disliked the Latin Mass and was in a typical leftist low-level but constant propaganda and bureaucratic war against it.


4 posted on 07/26/2017 10:44:33 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: ebb tide

If Bergoglio attempts to nullify or rescind Summorum, he will be widely disobeyed. He should be universally disobeyed.

Summorum—the document—may be “rescinded,” but the truth it articulates cannot be rescinded. Namely:

No Pope has the power to abrogate an ancient rite of the Church. This is why Pius V did not touch any rite older than 200 years, and it is why Paul VI never dared to abrogate the Missal of 1962.

Summorum does not give “PERMISSION” for the celebration of the TLM. It ANNOUNCES that no Pope or bishop can forbid it.


5 posted on 07/26/2017 10:45:24 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: MeganC

No.


6 posted on 07/26/2017 10:46:11 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: ebb tide

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-burke-responds-to-pope-francis-latin-mass-is-no-exception-summorum

Cardinal Raymond Burke defended the Extraordinary Form of the Mass as on equal footing with the Ordinary Form after Pope Francis described the former as an “exception” and said his predecessor’s freeing up of its availability was “magnanimous.”

Speaking to La Fede Quotidiana, Burke, the former Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura—the Vatican’s highest court—said the Church’s traditional, pre-Vatican II rite “is no exception.”

“It is the Mass of the Church of all times and therefore it can not be overthrown and has equal dignity,” said Burke. “For the rest, the motu proprio of Pope Benedict XVI is sufficient. It is unambiguous.”

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Pope Benedict XVI’s motu proprio Summorum Pontificum clarified the right of priests to offer the Traditional Latin Mass without having to request permission from his bishop.

“There is no contradiction between the two editions of the Roman Missal,” the pope emeritus wrote, and both rites are permitted.

However, Pope Francis said this was a “fair and magnanimous gesture to meet a certain mentality of some groups and people who had nostalgia. ... But it is an exception.”

In the same interview, the pontiff criticized the “rigidity” of youth who are attached to the Traditional Latin Mass.

Burke is one of the most well-known defenders of life, marriage, and Catholic orthodoxy. He is the patron of the Sovereign Order of Malta and one of the signers of a recent formal request for moral clarity on Amoris Laetitia from Pope Francis.


7 posted on 07/26/2017 10:49:25 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Thank you.


8 posted on 07/26/2017 10:49:51 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: MeganC

It used to be a rhetorical question, but not anymore.


9 posted on 07/26/2017 10:50:19 AM PDT by rdl6989
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To: MeganC

[ Is the Pope Catholic?

No, really. Is he? ]

The Old Rhetorical “Is the Pope Catholic?” is now “Is the Pope a Jesuit Interloper?”


10 posted on 07/26/2017 10:53:16 AM PDT by GraceG ("It's better to have all the Right Enemies, than it is to have all the Wrong Friends.")
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To: Arthur McGowan

We’re not giving up the Latin Mass, in our house. Period.

Because you’re absolutely right. He has no right to forbid it.

Punto, e basta.


11 posted on 07/26/2017 10:53:26 AM PDT by Claud
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To: GraceG

Who were the idiots in the Holy See who elected this loose cannon?

Jesuit interloper? Absolutely, and previous Pontiffs knew how to deal with the Jevvies - they abolished the entire order!

No Latin Mass? Bring on the tambourines and kumbaya, I guess.


12 posted on 07/26/2017 10:58:18 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: MeganC
Is the Pope Catholic?

Many former Catholics don't think so. In my town, there are half a dozen breakaway Catholic Churches, honoring the old pre-Vatican 2 rites. They are full every Sunday with young families as well as older people.

I had a full Catholic education from grade school through college and left the church altogether when they dumped Latin. The Latin mass had a majesty, a universality that was very powerful. People all over the world were saying those same words and it bound us together. Humanistic" let's- all-hold-hands religion seems silly to me. And so does the current Pope.

13 posted on 07/26/2017 11:02:25 AM PDT by Veto! (Political Correctness Offends Me)
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To: Veto!

Where are you?


14 posted on 07/26/2017 11:08:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Lord, You love all that exists: You do not despise anything Your hands have made." - Wisdom 11:22)
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To: Veto!
The Latin mass had a majesty, a universality that was very powerful. People all over the world were saying those same words and it bound us together.

1. Apostles didn't require it
2. Scripture doesn't record it
3. Cultures around the world don't speak Latin
4. It comes down to personal preference and what people grew up doing.

Better to be bound together by Christ - The Word of God.

15 posted on 07/26/2017 11:16:02 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Arthur McGowan

#5 Arthur McGowan - excellent reply.


16 posted on 07/26/2017 11:16:19 AM PDT by heterosupremacist (Domine Iesu Christe, Filius Dei, miserere me peccatorem!)
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To: ebb tide

Thank you for posting, I signed the petition...


17 posted on 07/26/2017 11:17:17 AM PDT by heterosupremacist (Domine Iesu Christe, Filius Dei, miserere me peccatorem!)
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To: ebb tide

This pope needs to resign.


18 posted on 07/26/2017 11:17:28 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Lying Media: willing and eager allies of the hate-America left.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
No Pope has the power to abrogate an ancient rite of the Church. This is why Pius V did not touch any rite older than 200 years....

So anything less than 200 yrs old is fair game?

19 posted on 07/26/2017 11:23:16 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Veto!

Can you please advise how to find a breakaway Catholic Church? Also how do you know the Eucharist and Sacraments are valid if it is breakaway?


20 posted on 07/26/2017 11:39:32 AM PDT by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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