U.S. Archbishop: Active Gays Must Repent and Change Lifestyle Before Receiving Communion

LifeSite News ^ | 7/10/17 | Pete Baklinski

[Biggirl]

Are not the words repentance and penance both the same words to begin with?

[Biggirl]

Different words, same goal.

[RegulatorCountry]

Not as practiced, no.

[al_c]

Most won’t listen. Instead, they’ll probably start showing up more often to receive the Host ... even if they aren’t Catholic ... just to protest.

[Bigg Red]

:)

[nobamanomore]

Show me SPECIFIC verses that show you don’t have to confess sins to each other, and while you’re at it show me the ones that say the apostles (and the ones following them) don’t forgive sins.

I was a born into a protestant family. While the ones here are worrying about penance or lack thereof, probably less than 1% of any protestants ever confess or repent of anything, period.

[SpirituTuo]

Actually, yes, there are people who suffer with same-sex attraction, and live chaste lives. The attraction is what them homosexual.

All people have unnatural attachments to sin, whether they are sexual, pride-based, gossip, etc. With God’s grace, and the assent of our will, those sins will not be committed, yet we are still the sinner.

Celibacy and pedophilia/Ephebophilia are not related. Perhaps a measure of non-celibate clergy, and public school teachers will enlighten one to that reality.

[gogeo]

BAM!

[gogeo]

Have they also been told the same thing?

By who?

[okie 54]

Finally a Priest who is not championing fags

[Salvation]

**Show me a Christian who has completely stopped all sinful activities/thoughts after being saved**

Look to the saints!

[af_vet_1981]

Please do me a favor. Show me SPECIFIC verses in the Bible where Jesus ever gave anyone penance to do in order to remove/forgive their sins.

Zacchaeus, my name is Zacchaeus and He knew my name.

And Jesus entered and passed through Jericho. And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich. And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature. And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way. And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house. And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully. And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner. And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold. And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Luke, Catholic chapter nineteen, Protestant verses one to ten,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

Anyone not content with these verses need only continue to the next verses.

[trebb]

Look to the saints!

How do you know the saints became 100% sinless?

Once we are saved, God sees us as pure and worthy - as saints, if you like, despite our continued imperfections. Like He did with King David, He declares us sin free.

[annalex]

As soon as you answer my question in the previous post.

[RitaOK]

BOOM! That was my experience as well. No daily resolve, no concept of unknown sin. No nothing.. but saved, leave it to later.

[2nd amendment mama]

Sorry, but I missed where Jesus said that he had to do anything as “penance” in what you posted.

[2nd amendment mama]

Here's your question (which wasn't to me, btw). "When a practicing gay picks up his belongings and moves out of his partner's house, wouldn't he be doing something rather than thinking something? "

Just because he took his belongings and left his partner by choice doesn't mean that it's penance for sin. He could just be moving on to another partner! Very poor example.

[af_vet_1981]

Sorry, but I missed where Jesus said that he had to do anything as “penance” in what you posted.

I forgive you.

Penance is repentance of sins as well as a name of the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Lutheran sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation/Confession.[1] It also plays a part in confession among Anglicans and Methodists, in which it is a rite,[2][3] as well as among other Protestants. The word penance derives from Old French and Latin paenitentia, both of which derive from the same root meaning repentance, the desire to be forgiven (in English see contrition). Penance and repentance, similar in their derivation and original sense, have come to symbolize conflicting views of the essence of repentance, arising from the controversy as to the respective merits of "faith" and "good works". Word derivations occur in many languages.

And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verses one to six,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[2nd amendment mama]

Sorry but I disagree with you. The 2 words (repentance and penance) are definitely do NOT mean the same thing.

[af_vet_1981]

The 2 words (repentance and penance) are definitely do NOT mean the same thing.


A number of KJV-only authors include the old Wycliffe's Bible made from the Latin in their good stream. For example, KJV-only authors such as Ruckman, Ray, Carter, Cummons, Cimino, Steward, and Bradley listed Wycliffe's Bible as a good Bible even though it translated Matthew 3:2 as "Saying, Do ye penance" (The Gospels, p. 11 and John Wycliff and the English Bible, p. 92).

Along with its use at Matthew 3:2, this rendering "penance" is also found other times in Wycliffe's (Matt. 21:29; 21:32; Mark 6:12; Luke 5:32; 13:3, 5; 15:7, etc.).

Some KJV-only advocates may not include Wycliffe's Bible in their good stream.

The pre-1611 English Bibles (Tyndale's to Bishops') of which the KJV was a revision are included in the KJV-only view's good stream of Bibles. One of those Bibles [the 1535 Coverdale's Bible] of which the KJV was a revision has the rendering "penance" a few times.

The rendering "penance" can be found in the 1535 Coverdale's Bible at Matthew 3:8, 12:41, Luke 10:13, 11:32, 15:7, 10, 16:30, Acts 3:19 and 26:20. In his prologue to his 1535 Bible, Coverdale wrote: "Be not thou offended therefore (good Reader) though one call a scribe, that another calleth a lawyer; or elders, that another calleth father & mother; or repentance, that another calleth penance or amendment."