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U.S. Archbishop: Active Gays Must Repent and Change Lifestyle Before Receiving Communion
LifeSite News ^ | 7/10/17 | Pete Baklinski

Posted on 07/10/2017 7:13:21 PM PDT by marshmallow

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To: marshmallow

People need to stop identifying themselves by their sin, which is what homosexuals do.

They let it become their identity.

I have great compassion for Christians who struggle with that particular temptation but it is NOT who they are.

A Christian’s identity is in CHRIST, not their sin.


21 posted on 07/10/2017 9:11:19 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Why, then, are the Catholic Bibles translated “do penance” rather than “repent” as is the case in the King James Bible and every other so-called “Protestant” Bible?

In the Greek, the word is the word for *repent* not *do penance*.

Putting in *do penance* is just another not so subtle mistranslation of the Greek to make Scripture say what the Catholic church wants it to say.

22 posted on 07/10/2017 9:15:11 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Once again, if you are claiming that the Douay-Rheims never uses the term "Repent", you are simply spouting another falsehood. There are many instances of "do penance" and many instances of "repent" or "repentance" in the Douay-Rheims translation (both in the Old and New Testaments).

Here's a quick example, which can be found at this Bible Gateway page:

And after that John was delivered up, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,  And saying: "The time is accomplished, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent, and believe the gospel."  Mark 1:14-15 --- Douay-Rheims Translation

Another thing to keep in mind is that many "protestant" translations of the Bible use terms other than "repent" for various texts like that.   For example, the King James Version of Acts 2:38 says, "Then Peter said unto them, 'Repent, and be baptized every one of you...'", but when you look at all these other English "protestant" translations of that same text, you'll see that fully twenty-one of them do not use the word "repent" there, but use various other words or phrases for that text.
23 posted on 07/10/2017 9:57:16 PM PDT by Songcraft
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To: marshmallow

One glimmer of light to balance all the negative thoughts as I drive through Portland next week.


24 posted on 07/10/2017 10:12:49 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: marshmallow

We have a great Archbishop in Portland, Oregon.

May God bless him abundantly.


25 posted on 07/10/2017 10:27:19 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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26 posted on 07/10/2017 10:28:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow; goodnesswins; PROCON; Twotone; VeryFRank; Clinging Bitterly; Rio; aimhigh; ...

If you would like more information about what's happening in Oregon, please FReepmail me.

Please send me your name by FReepmail if you want to be on this list.

27 posted on 07/10/2017 10:29:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

This has always and everywhere been Catholic teaching. Sad that it should be controversial to state it.


28 posted on 07/10/2017 11:11:10 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Show me a Christian who has completely stopped all sinful activities/thoughts after being saved and I'll show you a delusional person who ignores his/her sinfulness because they see someone else they consider worse than themselves. if we were capable of doing what you say is required, then He would not have had to die on the Cross for us.

How can one be sure if one has repented/atoned and has decided to really really really really try?

I'd wager a lot of those who go to Confession are going through the motions and have no problem getting Communion despite the fact that they know they cannot/will not stop the behaviors/thoughts that require Confession.

When mortals think they can prevent others from communing with God/Christ/Holy Spirit, them mortals have placed themselves mighty high in the Richter Scale of holier than thou-ness.

29 posted on 07/11/2017 3:39:48 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb
Show me a Christian who has completely stopped all sinful activities/thoughts after being saved and I'll show you a delusional person who ignores his/her sinfulness because they see someone else they consider worse than themselves.

The standard is "a sincere purpose of amendment," not "infallible knowledge of no future sins." It is the honest attempt to cooperate with God's grace to sin no more, even if someone knows that this effort will most likely fail at some point. This is different than the person who is hardened in his sins and refuses to amend his life. You should really try to understand Catholic teaching before criticizing it.

if we were capable of doing what you say is required, then He would not have had to die on the Cross for us.

It is our Lord's sacrifice on the cross that opens up to us God's grace to live holy lives according to the Commandments. Our relationship with Jesus includes the submission of both intellect and will, not just an act of faith.

I'd wager a lot of those who go to Confession are going through the motions and have no problem getting Communion despite the fact that they know they cannot/will not stop the behaviors/thoughts that require Confession.

There is a big difference between "cannot" and "will not." Imagine the difference between the alcoholic who truly desires and attempts to stop drinking but often fails and the drunk who says, "the hell with it. I like drinking and getting drunk." The first perhaps "cannot" stop drinking but desires to stop. The second "will not" stop drinking because he chooses not to.

When mortals think they can prevent others from communing with God/Christ/Holy Spirit, them mortals have placed themselves mighty high in the Richter Scale of holier than thou-ness.

Like the Protestants who say that we cannot be saved unless we accept their concept of "faith alone"?

30 posted on 07/11/2017 4:01:58 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: marshmallow

” active homosexuals “ HUH? Is there any other kind?

The homosexual acts are what DEFINES a homosexual. It isn’t DNA.

So if queers abstain from unnatural sex, they are cured?

Is that anything like celibate pedophile priests?

How is that working out?


31 posted on 07/11/2017 4:13:50 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Petrosius
It is our Lord's sacrifice on the cross that opens up to us God's grace to live holy lives according to the Commandments. Our relationship with Jesus includes the submission of both intellect and will, not just an act of faith.

Jesus had to stay true to the Old Covenant but He also gave us a bit of information about "commandments" that many tend to ignore. Something about loving God with every fiber of one;s being and the other about loving others as you love yourself because (paraphrase) where there is love, there is no harm and that in itself fulfills the intent of the commandments.

Once we are saved, God no longer recognizes us as sinners even though we never lose the sinfulness. If Paul, who had met the risen Jesus had to lament that he kept finding himself doing things he knew he shouldn't do, and not doing things he knew he should do, how can one sanely expect those working on pure faith to do any better.

Repenting as one supplicates himself to Jesus is necessary - else on has not reason for the supplication. As far as the rest, who can judge what is really in another man's heart" If one says that "This one is not repentant" then what's to stop them from saying "This one never actually gave himself to Jesus"? One tends to take the news one likes, on faith and then condemn those that disgust one w/o really knowing the mental/spiritual state of that individual.

God will sort it out and I suspect that some who take communion regularly will not be in Heaven and some who are denied communion will see us there - not our decision to say who will/won't make the trip.

32 posted on 07/11/2017 4:17:23 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: marshmallow
The Archbishop said that there have been “misuses” of the Pope’s Exhortation “in support of positions that are not compatible with Church teaching.”

Among these is the notion that an individual’s conscience has, after Amoris Laetitia, become the final judge in moral matters.

Very good, Your Excellence. It is not just practicing gays we are in spiritual combat with.

33 posted on 07/11/2017 4:26:07 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Golden Oldie Song Qigong
Douay indeed says "do penance". It is a better translation, especially in view of protestant corruptions of the meaning of "μετανοειτε"

Let me ask you a question: When a practicing gay picks up his belongings and moves out of his partner's house, wouldn't he be doing something rather than thinking something?

34 posted on 07/11/2017 4:32:38 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
Please do me a favor. Show me SPECIFIC verses in the Bible where Jesus ever gave anyone penance to do in order to remove/forgive their sins.
35 posted on 07/11/2017 5:18:55 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Are not the words repentance and penance both the same words to begin with?


36 posted on 07/11/2017 5:37:22 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Are not the words repentance and penance both the same words to begin with?


37 posted on 07/11/2017 5:37:24 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Are not the words repentance and penance both the same words to begin with?


38 posted on 07/11/2017 5:37:58 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Are not the words repentance and penance both the same words to begin with?


39 posted on 07/11/2017 5:38:18 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Are not the words repentance and penance both the same words to begin with?


40 posted on 07/11/2017 5:38:34 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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